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From: Natman <nat_mann@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: best home defense
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:50:58 -0700
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On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:09:40 -0600, "Gregory Garland"
<gsgarland@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
>"Jim Smith" <j_h_smith@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:9bedndNB7OQeGz3ZnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> "Gregory Garland" <gsgarland@adelphia.net> wrote in message
>> news:FaadnUMPl94T7z3ZnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@adelphia.com...
>>>
>>> What most folks don't take into consideration in my experience is the
>>> entirety of their circumstances when they recommend some gawdawful
>>> shotgun load or some way overpenetrative pistol load. Consider what lies
>>> beyond your target and what will happen if you discharge your firearm at
>>> someone, hit him, and the round continues to whistle on through into your
>>> neighbor's house or whathaveyou. Consider the effect the ammunition you
>>> select will have on your intended target as well as any which may be
>>> struck by a miss (remember, this is a fight for your life, your
>>> adrenaline will be pumping hard, and you may miss). Do what you can to
>>> increase your probability of a hit, and for my money this includes using
>>> a rifle or other long gun of suitable application.
>>>
>>> For this purpose I have tested many cartridges on gallon milk jugs filled
>>> with water to gauge penetration and performance in that medium. I
>>> realize it isn't perfect and that no medium can predict 100% what a
>>> bullet will do on a human, but if I have to shoot someone and WHEN I get
>>> sued afterwards, I think that the fact that I made these tests will be of
>>> some help.
>>>
>>> Anyways, the Hornady TAP ammo in a 223 seems to be the best performer in
>>> gallon milk jug medium, including not being overpenetrative.
>>>
>>> YMMV.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Gregory.
>>
>> Do you honestly believe that a 223 rifle is better than a 12 gauge shotgun
>> for home defense? A supersonic round is much more likely to over
>> penetrate than 00 buckshot from a shotgun. You also have to realize the
>> shock value of a shotgun blast. A shotgun can be a decent perimeter
>> weapon too. Slugs are deadly out to 100 yards or more. Think about a
>> shotgun as being a multiple weapon choice. If I had but one weapon to
>> protect my family, it would have to be a 12 gauge, hi cap pump shotgun.
>
>Yes, I honestly think it is better because I have tested it. Have you
>tested the 12 gauge with 00 buckshot on any sort of medium to approximate
>its performance when the chips are down? Think of it, that's 12 or more 30
>caliber projecticles coming out of that thing, also at supersonic speeds. I
>know of an instance where a man was running from police when they discharged
>a 12 ga OO buck round. One of the projectiles penetrated the bad guy, flew
>1/4 mile, penetrated a ladies' house, penetrated the wall of her
>refrigerator, and came to rest inside. THAT is what happens with OO buck.
Do you really expect us to believe that a spherical buckshot pellet
passed through a human being, then proceeded to travel a quarter mile
(440 yards!) and still had enough energy to penetrate the exterior
wall of a house, the interior wall of a house and one wall of a
refrigerator?
I don't think so!
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