Uzytkownik "Nevermore" <burned@thestake.net> napisal w wiadomosci
news:20031123002923658-0500@news.valley.net...
> In <bpngrl$fin$1@atlantis.news.tpi.pl> Uncle Davey wrote:
> >
> > news:bpnfmh$1qhu5f$1@ID-140581.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >> "Piorokrat" tries the bait 'n switch:
> >> > "Zsarnok" wrote:
> >> > > Nevermore wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > <snip>
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > We're Witches. We haven't done anything wrong. Why would we
> >> > > > need salvation - free or otherwise? Why would we need to
> >> > > > believe in something that doesn't appear to produce results
> >> > > > when we do things
> >> that
> >> > > > produce tangible results whether we lack faith in them or not?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Nevermore
> >> > >
> >> > > Yeah. What Nevermore said. <w>
> >> > >
> >> > > Zsarnok
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > So if you for example cast a spell, you achieve what you want
> >> > whether
> > you
> >> > even believe in it or not?
> >> >
> >> Is that what Nevermore stated, ye of blind faith?
> >> Do you actually expect to have _magic_ explained to you?
> >> Bwahahaha.
> >>
> >> > That's handy.
> >> >
> >> It's also sophist of you, Davie.
> >>
> >> > Uncle Davey, you're all pretty rich, then?
> >> >
> >> Prayed for gold and gotten it, Davie?
> >> Depends on what you mean by "rich" and what
> >> Nevermore may mean by "tangible results" doesn't
> >> it? Next, you'll be asking 'what tangible results', eh?
> >> Or, will you try to dodge predictablilty and take
> >> another tack - like not replying to this post? Heh.
> >>
> >> T.N.
> >
> > You see, Trevor, I don't believe that God wants me to be rich without
> > working for it. Why would He have given me the earnings potential for
> > it only to go to waste after a lottery win?
> >
> > That means, I couldn't pray for gold with any faith.
> >
> > I'd know I was asking amiss.
> >
> > But from what Nevermore said, what she does produces results whether
> > or not she lacks faith in them. Hence, if I believed that, I could
> > make a wealth charm, I could bury the talisman of Mercury under my
> > office, and bingo, early retirement, even though I don't believe in
> > that stuff.
> >
> > Uncle Davey, I don't think I've extrapolated this point illogically.
> >
> >
> Davey, for the record, I'm a guy (and yes, I'm still a Witch not a
> wizard).
I don't get it. How can you be a guy and a witch. Girl ones are witches, boy
ones are wizards. Every kid knows that.
So how can you tell me you're a witch and a guy at the same time?
> I'm also pretty well off but there is little point in bending magick to
> making money when you can use what is inherent in magick to skip right
> over the cash and get the things which cash can buy (and many more
> things it can't).
"I don't care too much for money, money can't buy me love"?
>
> You still haven't addressed my real question which was simply this - why
> would witches need salvation if we haven't done anything wrong?
>
> Nevermore (proud owner of some of the most environmentally damaging and
> expensive vehicles on this planet)
I drive a Grand Cherokee myself, which is a gas guzzler.
You ask what we have done wrong, I would put it in to one sentence.
We have failed to give God the glory due unto his name.
That's all humankind, witches and wizards and muggles as well.
Uncle Davey
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