Uncle Davey wrote:
>> Uncle Davey wrote:
>>>> Uncle Davey wrote:
>>>>> Uzytkownik <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> napisal w wiadomosci
>>>>> news:1104741408.314216.10300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> Jason Gastrich wrote:
>>>>>>> Davey,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did you have a good weekend?
>>>>>
>>>>> It wasn't that magnificent, thanks. I had to go to Tczew on Sunday
>>>>> for an inventory count, and the road wasn't fantastic, but thanks
>>>>> for asking.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What's new?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not much. Lots of work to do.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Davey posted and said he was leaving the groups for a bit, Jason.
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't last long.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, I'm still gonna be posting hardly anything. No time.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder what he'll think of
>>>>>> http://www.geocities.com/hdsienkiewicz/JG_DOC_A.jpg ?
>>>>>> And isn't email a better place for chit-chat?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll tell you you what I think, David, I think it was a court
>>>>> error.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my experience court clerks make a lot of errors, after all,
>>>>> who's gonna sue 'em? I remember the patience I had to have with
>>>>> them in my limited experience.
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't read enough yet since getting back from my inventory
>>>>> count attendances all over this country to know whether Jason
>>>>> says it is a court error, but I simply do not believe he would
>>>>> have been dumb enough to state 200 USD if he knew very well you
>>>>> could get hold of something that said 2000 USD.
>>>>>
>>>>> Uncle Davey
>>>>
>>>> Wow, Davey hit the nail on the head. This is exactly right.
>>>>
>>>> God bless,
>>>> Jason
>>>
>>> I have the odd bit of discernment here and there as you know, and
>>> now I have a little message for you, which you are at liberty to
>>> take on or not depending on whether the Spirit confirms these words
>>> to you.
>>>
>>> David Sienkiewicz is not so far gone as to forge changes to
>>> documents. This is something he will not do, according to my reading
>>> of him, nevertheless he is so prejudiced against the evangelical
>>> side that he automatically assumes some blame on your part when the
>>> document says something other than what you expected it to.
>>>
>>> My reading of the way Durango Bill has added this to his site is
>>> that he actually knows very well that it was a court error, and is
>>> slagging you off for saying 'no' when you I dare say were fairly
>>> sure that the note said 200USD because you hadn't noticed that it
>>> came back with an error on saying 2000 USD. This has been taken in a
>>> recent post by Sienkiewicz to mean that Bill also thinks you were
>>> lying about the 200USD, but here again he shows his prejudice, as
>>> the way Bill phrases it gives the game away that he knew it was
>>> only an oversight on your part. Otherwise he would have stressed
>>> the matter differently.
>>
>> Wise words. My thoughts exactly.
>>
>>> David's got you lumped in with the Benny Hinns and their ilk, which
>>> is a great pity for two reasons, firstly because you are not of
>>> their ilk, and are truly God's saved child, even with all your
>>> faults - no bigger than mine I hasten to add - and this I know
>>> because it takes an experienced person from within Evangelical
>>> Christianity to discern the difference, they cannot.
>>
>> Good point.
>>
>> Benny Hinn is a fraud for a number of reasons. This can be verified
>> at http://apologeticsindex.org. In fact, it's a huge archive or
>> frauds.
>>
>>> That is why you have to be more careful
>>> in the way some things are presented. You have the right, as someone
>>> who has dedicated a full-time level of work to evangelism, to be
>>> supported in your cost of living by other believers, and this is
>>> absolutely no different to the priests of catholicism and the vicars
>>> of anglicanism that they would not give a second thought to and whom
>>> they do not attack as fraudulent because they live from the gifts of
>>> believers. They are sensitive about it, my suggestion is that you
>>> are simply up front about the fact that you do live from the love
>>> gifts of God's people in the same way as other full time Christian
>>> workers do, and be a bit careful with the way you present certain
>>> things that help you make a living. You can see how far they go to
>>> misunderstand this and behave as though you were building marble
>>> halls on the backs of these donations, rather than them being an
>>> essential part of any full-time ministry, and no different to the
>>> money raising that goes on in any church that has full-time
>>> ministers.
>>
>> I'm not sure what this has to do with anything. I suppose you
>> thought it was pertinent.
>
> I am writing it for their sakes, so that they can see that they are
> not applying the same criterion when they should be between your
> living and the living of other ministers whom they don't criticise.
>
>>
>>> The second reason why it's a pity is that if all this energy were
>>> being given by David Sienkiewicz in exposing real religious
>>> charlatans, then you and I would probably be among the first to
>>> applaud it.
>>
>> Amen.
>>
>>> It's true that we are only promised that the sheep and
>>> the goats in the Church are separated at the end of time, but the
>>> occasional exposure of a wolf in sheep's clothing here and there -
>>> even by a non-Christian, is something I would not get in the way of.
>>
>> Amen.
>>
>>> As it is he is like someone pulling at your fleece, and although it
>>> doesn't come off whenever there is a cry of pain from the sheep he
>>> thinks is suspect he says "hmnn. that sounded a bit wolfy, that did,
>>> better yank some more". The more he tugs away at that fleece, and
>>> even some of the hairs come of in his hand, the more he thinks he is
>>> about to get the fleece off and reveal the bristly grey lupine coat
>>> beneath, but all he is doing is confirming his prejudices. That is,
>>> until they fall, which, God willing, they will, and he will see
>>> himself an imperfect man fighting another imperfect man for the
>>> simple reason that this other imperfect man has been received by God
>>> through Christ.
>>
>> Good words.
>>
>>> Maybe this is the way God is calling him. Maybe he has to go through
>>> this wrestling match with you in order to get a blessing. Israel was
>>> always a wrestler, and he will not let you go unless God bless him,
>>> even if it means a metaphorical wound on the thigh. This is of
>>> course not good news for you as the one who gets to play the role
>>> of the angel in that Genesis 32 scenario, but in the end if you can
>>> turn his trying to cause you a penalty into you causing him a
>>> Peniel, then everyone is blessed in the end. That's why I think it
>>> may have been hasty for you to promise not to speak to him. He
>>> needs mercy and love, in the end, like every sinner. And the gospel
>>> is as we read to the Jew first and then to the Greek. It's always a
>>> priviledge to be able to take God's own truth to God's own people.
>>> I think that, hard as it is, you're gonna need to engage him. My
>>> "prophesy", if you wanna call it that, is that David Sienkiewicz is
>>> actually in the Elect, but will only realise that against his will
>>> and will only be brought to the Mercy Seat a-kickin' and
>>> a-scratchin' and a-fleece-pullin'. Ignoring him isn't gonna do it.
>>> If you go fishing, there's no point in cutting your line when
>>> there's a marlin on the end of it. You've gotta reel that big fish
>>> in. With a really big fish it can take other fishermen to hold the
>>> rod with you and stop it getting yanked out of your hands, and I
>>> can do that bit, but it's your fish.
>>
>> I have been thinking about this prophesy a bit. Do you have the
>> gift of prophesy? Have you prophesied other things that have
>> happened? Have you ever made a false prophesy?
>
> I have only made one other prophesy, when I was forced into it by the
> Andrew Sheldrake that I mention in this article.
> I wrote it three years ago, almost, as you can see.
>
>
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?q=uncle+davey+sheldrake&hl=en&lr=&selm=3c7b3d89%2410%40news.ptt.ru&rnum=1
>
>
> You notice I call him a very charismatic person. The full meaning of
> that you can understand better than the people I was writing to about
> it at the time, for he was very much into the Charismatic movement,
> telling me that I wasn't growing in grace if I didn't start
> developing spiritual gifts such as speaking in tongues, healing (he
> reckoned I had a 'leg difference' and tried to 'heal' me of it, but
> it didn't do any good, but thsi was down to my lack of faith, of
> course)
>
> We were in Berlin, it was the Summer of 1982, and we had gone over
> there to do some summer work as German language practice and shared
> the same accommodation. He was mobbing me continually to speak in
> tongues and prophesy, and was continually making prophesies about my
> life, not of which have come true so far. The one he was most sure of
> is that I would marry a girl he picked out of my college photograph
> who was called Sarah, and oddly enough he picked out someone who was
> in the Christian Union (she wasn't wearing any badge or anything)
> which was already enough to persuade him that he'd had my future wife
> revealed to him as a dead cert, (she was a good looking girl, but
> nothing came of it as I discovered that her views were rather
> irredeemably woolly and liberal, and I found this rather offputting,
> and she hardly came to any of the meetings anyway, and went to some
> Anglican Church which I don't think I would have been very
> comfortable in). Anyway, he was mobbing me to make some prophesy,
> until I really had had quite enough of this and was really on the
> point of regretting that I had come out there with him to be made to
> feel like a second class Christian, and I don't know why, but I said
> "OK, I prophesy that your future wife will be Kirsten". This was a
> red headed girl in the Lutheran Church Jugendgruppe at Steglitz,
> Berlin, where we were attending.
>
> I don't even know why I said it. I wished I hadn't, but in the worst
> case if it had been wrong, then the meaning is that I had no prophesy
> gift after all.
>
> I lost contact with Andrew Sheldrake over the years, he went his way
> and I went mine, and I tried to make contact with him a couple of
> times but neither of our hearts were particularly in it, as I think
> he was really upset with me when I failed to go to Germany for his
> wedding with Kirsten when I, after all, had prophesied it, but I had
> some other unavoidable engagement that I cannot even remember now
> what it was - most probably I was simply in debt as I was poor as a
> student and probably didn't have the money to go.
>
> I did manage some years down the track to get his phone number, but he
> wasn't massively interested in small talk with me, and I have to say
> I found his manner still rather terse. I myself had gotten into
> pretty bad backsliding and bad behaviour in the mean time, so I
> wasn't in a fit state to really be companionable to another Christian
> anyway.
>
> Since that time I haven't made any more prophesies, as such. Anyone
> who might be remotely interested can try and track down Andrew
> Sheldrake originally from Haywards Heath in Southern England to
> verify my claim to have made a true prophesy concerning his marriage,
> and one can also, if one is remotely interested, sift through the
> 8,700 articles on Usenet in this archive
>
>
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?q=+%22Uncle+Davey%22+author:noway%40jose.com&hl=en&lr=&scoring=d
>
> and another 3,000 under other munges that I can supply to those still
> hungry for more, to see if I have made any other prophesies since
> then. I don't remember any, although certainly I have shown on
> occasion much discernment about things that were happening or going
> to happen. I have also been able to make very accurate forecasts
> about the directions of currencies, interest rates and house prices
> in my professional life that helped anyone who listened to them
> prosper, as well as helping me to get the chunk of money which I lost
> in my divorce, which chunk is described and quantified in various
> parts of my posting history, that I don't need to return to. I
> wouldn't call them 'prophesies' though. I've never been able to
> foresee lottery numbers or stuff like that, which would be an abuse
> anyway, and I put the other stuff down to a certain gift of
> discernment.
>
> There are some outstanding predictions that I have made, such that
> Poland will become the first country in history to leave the European
> Union, and that Belarus will be free nine years from now. Again these
> are utterances of discernment, and not prophesies. I have also
> uttered that corals floated during the Flood and that at Babel each
> person received a unique language, rather than a family language, but
> these again are not prophesies, as apart from anything else they
> refer to past events, but we will only know at time's end what the
> truth of the matter is. I have a number of these, and I don't want to
> be unduly dogmatic about any of them, or one fine day I might wake up
> the leader of some dodgy sect, which is the last thing I need.
>
> And of course there is prophesy is art and in poetry, and here again
> the meaning of "prophesy" is different to that in the charismata.
> Akhmatova wrote "the poet is always right". This is more in the line
> of self-fulfilling prophesy.
>
> I will say that this current "prophesy" is more a matter of
> "discernment" than real prophesy, as I have no idea whether David
> actually needs your involvement to get saved, I merely have a
> conviction that this probably will happen, with or without you,
> although it would be more encouraging for you to be involved.
>
> If you decide not to be, you shouldn't feel guily, though, as an elect
> person will always come in one way or the other. This is the doctrine
> of Irresistible Grace. I just thought that it would be a great
> encouragement to you to reel him into the Kingdom.
>
>
>>
>> I'm just curious. I know it's a real spiritual gift. I also know
>> that we can't just speak any old thing into existence, though.
>
> I wouldn't try to do that. It's a matter of discernment, and with
> discernment one thing is certainly true and that is, that people
> ought not to follow another Christian's discernment if it conflicts
> with their own discernment about something in their own lives.
> Discernment about what is good for another is only good if it doesn't
> overrule the discernment they have. If your commitment to ignoring
> David Sienkiewicz is spiritually discerned, then because it concerns
> your life it overrules my discernment that it would be good for you
> to continue.
>
> Otherwise discernment becomes an excuse for Christians to boss each
> other around on the basis of what seems right in their own eyes,
> which is something I am completely against and nothing but trouble
> lies that way. Positive exhortation is fine, but bossiness isn't
> fine, and to keep it that way we Christians need to remember that
> each of us has guidance from the Holy Spirit while we are not
> grieving the Spirit.
>
>
>>
>>> It's gonna take a lot of prayer, a lot of time, a lot of
>>> ego-bruising, a lot of re-adjustment of style, a lot of pain. But
>>> it's gonna be worth it, because that old Jew, as he calls himself,
>>> is gonna get born again. And there's gonna be rejoicing in heaven.
>>> Amen.
>>>
>>> Uncle Davey
>>
>> Maybe, maybe not. So far, I haven't seen any interest in the person
>> or love of Christ. All I see is scorn, bitterness, and misused
>> energy.
>
> Some people just get born that way, if you get my drift.
>
>>
>> At any rate, if you believe that he is going to get saved, then be
>> persistent in talking to him about Jesus Christ. Or consult God and
>> see which path He would have you take. As for me, I'm done with
>> him. Many times, he has told me that he will "bring down" me and my
>> ministry.
>
> Exactly. He has selected the one of us that his inner soul would like
> to bring him to God, and it isn't me.
>
> This is why I personally think it would be a pity to give up on him,
> and in your shoes I wouldn't, but like I just said, my guidance is
> for my life and your guidance is for your life.
>
>
>> He
>> takes every issue, no matter how small, and acts like they're HUGE,
>> while demanding countless responses from me, putting me down,
>> painting me in a bad light, etc. He can do this by himself as far
>> as I'm concerned. There was a time when Christ shook the dirt from
>> his shoes and this is my time.
>
> But Christ didn't do that to his worst persecutor, which was Saul of
> Tarsus.
>
> And what we have here is a Saul of Tarsus type, and his persecution
> of us is exactly what I would expect.
>
>
>> I have much work to do. I need to press on and speak to people who
>> are actually willing to talk about Jesus, the mysteries of God, the
>> difference He has made in people's lives, the fruits of the Spirit,
>> the stories of the Bible, etc. You know. The exciting and
>> interesting things! This has been an overall poor place for
>> evangelism because there are precious few believers and far more
>> mockers, scoffers, God-haters, etc.
>>
>> If someone were to repent on usenet, they would probably just leave.
>> I could not see how they could possibly stick around and face the
>> evildoers that curse at Christians. They'd at least need some
>> healthy time away to grow in their faith.
>
>
> It's not the greatest place for newborn Christians, Jason. Aqui tienes
> milion veces razon. That's why I'm glad that someone I helped a lot
> when they came to faith in another group which is a complete and
> perfect trolls' picnic area a couple of years ago didn't hang around
> much after.
>
> Nevertheless, let's remember the words of the great missionary C.T.
> Studd, who ran missions to India, China and Africa spanning the 19th
> and 20th centuries. He said:
>
> "Some want to live within the sound
> Of Church or Chapel bell
> I'd rather build a rescue shop
> Within a yard of hell"
>
> I know missionaries who went to the Austrian Tyrol, an area whose
> lifestyle and GDP certainly outstrips that of the part of the UK they
> came from and I know missionaries who went to Nepal where people can
> lose their gonads and other jewels amongst the legendary fierce
> gurkha tribespeople for getting their back up and where civil war is
> raging. I know many others from many other places but these are if
> you like the extremes of cushy mission versus non-cushy mission. I
> would always prefer to support the folks in Nepal than these guys in
> a country where they can be looking down the barrel of nothing more
> heatpacking than a freshly baked apfelstrudel. In the range of
> missionfields, if kaffee und kuchen on the pistes by Innsbruck, and
> some kleine nachtmusik in Salzburg after that can described as a 1 in
> severity, and getting ambushed by bandits in the Himalayas can be put
> at a 10, I'd give this place a 2-3 ranking, no higher.
>
>> Now, this has been your mission field for some time, Davey. How has
>> your progress been? If you were to submit your experiences and time
>> spent to a Board, would they be pleased?
>
> I'm not a menpleaser, and no-one finances my efforts but me. I am
> really only interested in whether God is pleased, and that is the
> question we all need to ask ourselves.
>
> In the end of the day salvation is about individuals. That means that
> the shoal of mackerel on the radar approach is necessary to get out
> the Gospel to many people and you correctly, one year ago, steered me
> in the direction of setting up a website that could reach more people
> with the Gospel than my usenet activities. That has happened and I
> have the plan this year to double the content that I added this year,
> so that by the end of 2005 I have 3 times the content that I have now.
>
> Nevertheless, although your fine stats machines show that people with
> pretty flags from all over the world have been reading my articles, I
> still need to be able to address people on a direct level as well.
> That means having a lot more patience. Sure, there is a chance that
> some will not have been as effective a use of time as others, but I
> am not the one who can measure that, and neither is any board, unless
> God have mercy on them and tell them the right answer.
>
>> I'm asking these questions because your time is precious. You (and
>> I) need to spend our time wisely. If you've spent thousands of
>> hours on usenet with no converts, then perhaps you should shake the
>> dirt from your shoes . . . or at least give yourself some guidelines
>> and parameters regarding posting and reading people's messages; as I
>> have done.
>>
>
> My parameters for 2005 are this:
>
> In 2004 I posted 3506 messages to Usenet. This will be halved in
> 2005, at least. That means the most messages I can post in 2005 is
> 1753, or 4,79 per day, and this being the 24th so far this year I am
> still on par for that.
>
> My other parameter, to at least double the www. output, I just
> mentioned.
>
>> I'm not encouraging you to give up. I'm just encouraging you to use
>> your time wisely. If you could win 10 people to Christ in January
>> through posting messages in forums, for instance, would you choose
>> that medium over usenet?
>
> What fora are these, and how do we know that more people will see
> them who do not see usenet? Why are they devoid of the kind of battle
> we have here? Censored discourse I have to say is of little interest
> to me.
>
>
>> I've taken my ministry to forums and to ezboards. I'm going to
>> return to them very soon because it will be part of a project I'm
>> doing. I'm looking forward to it, too. For some reason, people are
>> far more respectable and curious about Christ there. Of course, you
>> also run into people that zealously believe odd things. It's good
>> to talk to them too, though.
>>
>> God bless,
>> Jason
>
>
> I wish you well with it, and you too.
>
> Uncle Davey
I know my mission and I'm happily fulfilling it. I pray the same for you,
brother.
God bless,
Jason
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