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From: "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com>
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Subject: Re: 12 Reasons Why Gay People Should Not Be Allowed To Marry
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 14:13:49 +0100
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Uzytkownik "rogue" <rogue719@hotmail.com> napisal w wiadomosci
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> "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message
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> > Uzytkownik "rogue" <rogue719@hotmail.com> napisal w wiadomosci
> > news:6e14bcdc.0403041400.67b50b99@posting.google.com...
> > > "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message
> > news:<c26vco$273$0@pita.alt.net>...
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Please see article 16 of the UN Universal Declaration of Human
Rights.
> > > >
> > > > It talks of men and women of full age marrying:
> > > > http://www.unhchr.ch/udhr/lang/eng.htm
> > > >
> > > > It says nothing of homosexual unions and says that the family is the
> > > > foundation of society.
> > >
> > > JERRY
> > > It's not talking about that either. Here is the clause itself
> > >
> > > Article 16
> > > Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race,
> > > nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a
> > > family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during
> > > marriage and at its dissolution.
> > > Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of
> > > the intending spouses.
> > > The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is
> > > entitled to protection by society and the State.
> > >
> > > JERRY
> > > This does not mean that ONLY men and women may marry. The UN does not
> > > presume to make such statements for the member countries. This is a
> > > proclamation of what the UN considers basic rights. The discussion
> > > point being placed is not about same sex marriage or defining marriage
> > > as only between a man and a woman. The purpose of this statement is
> > > to point out that both men and women (since in some countries, women
> > > can't make a decision like this for themselves) have the right to
> > > marry if they are of age.
>
> >DAVEY
> > You're twisting the text to suit yourself.
>
> JERRY
> No, actually that's the way I interpret it. After all, Denmark has
> gay marriage and not only has it not "downgraded" the state of the
> heterosexual family, but they didn't get drummed out of the UN either.
> This document is a UN statement of basic rights. It is not designed
> to be a legal document that says the UN won't recognize gay marriage.
> The purpose of the document is to state the basic rights of all
> people.
>
> > DAVEY
> > It's ridiculous to assume that it meant that both men and women have the
> > right to decide to marry or not marry.
>
> JERRY
> Why is it ridiculous? Because it doesn't agree with your
> interpretation? In some countries, women don't have the right legally
> to make decisions. Those patriarchal (you can insert Muslim here, if
> you wish) cultures don't want women to have any rights at all. You
> can use the Taliban for a valid example.
Do they accept homosexual marriages?
No?
Well, they're not all bad then.
>
>
> > DAVEY
> > It is obvious that single sexes cannot found a family, and that is what
> > follows in the same breath.
>
> JERRY
> But Davey, we have thousands of single sex families here in the
> states. They just aren't codified as a legal marriage. It doesn't
> mean it's not a legal family.
How many men do you know that have given birth to a child?
How many women have gotten konocked up by a strap-on?
Of course gay households are not families, Jerry.
They are a mere travesty, if that.
>
>
> > DAVEY
> > The UN is not about pervert-enabling, sorry and all that.
>
> JERRY
> Who's a pervert, Davey? The American Psychiatric Association has
> already stated that being gay is not a mental illness, or a mental
> disorder, and who is harmed by it? Your bigotry is showing. It's
> kind of ugly.
Gays are perverts.
I'm just being honest about that. What's ugly about honesty?
They still can be forgiven, and loved.
Uncle Davey
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