Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w wiadomosci
news:48eg40hgrj879ctroj1gvbpd3bmq0q8oqh@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 22:59:42 +0100, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Uzytkownik "rogue" <rogue719@hotmail.com> napisal w wiadomosci
> >news:6e14bcdc.0403041400.67b50b99@posting.google.com...
> >> "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message
> >news:<c26vco$273$0@pita.alt.net>...
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Please see article 16 of the UN Universal Declaration of Human
Rights.
> >> >
> >> > It talks of men and women of full age marrying:
> >> > http://www.unhchr.ch/udhr/lang/eng.htm
> >> >
> >> > It says nothing of homosexual unions and says that the family is the
> >> > foundation of society.
> >>
> >> JERRY
> >> It's not talking about that either. Here is the clause itself
> >>
> >> Article 16
> >> Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race,
> >> nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a
> >> family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during
> >> marriage and at its dissolution.
> >> Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of
> >> the intending spouses.
> >> The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is
> >> entitled to protection by society and the State.
> >>
> >> JERRY
> >> This does not mean that ONLY men and women may marry. The UN does not
> >> presume to make such statements for the member countries. This is a
> >> proclamation of what the UN considers basic rights. The discussion
> >> point being placed is not about same sex marriage or defining marriage
> >> as only between a man and a woman. The purpose of this statement is
> >> to point out that both men and women (since in some countries, women
> >> can't make a decision like this for themselves) have the right to
> >> marry if they are of age.
> >
> >You're twisting the text to suit yourself.
> >
> >It's ridiculous to assume that it meant that both men and women have the
> >right to decide to marry or not marry.
> >
> >It is obvious that single sexes cannot found a family, and that is what
> >follows in the same breath.
> >
> >The UN is not about pervert-enabling, sorry and all that.
> >
> >Uncle Davey
> >
> >
> I fear you are becoming fearful of speaking what's really on your
> mind.
>
> BB
No, I don't wanna lambast homosexuals any stronger than that for the simple
reason that my sins are not any better than the sins of others anyway. I may
not be a homo, thanks only to God, but there's lots of stuff in my
heterosexual experience that is really no better.
What is wrong is not a homo who knows he's a sinner and repents, but the
ones who try to make it out like it's either a good thing, or God's fault he
made them that way, etc etc etc. I believe a homosexual can repent and come
to God, even if he has been the tartiest queen on the scene.
But making out that they don't do anything wrong is not gonna get them
there.
Uncle Davey
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