news:slrnc2toja.18c.mightymartianca@namibia.tandem...
> On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 02:55:39 +0000 (UTC),
> Daniel Harper <daniel_harper@terralink.net> wrote:
> > On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 00:20:54 +0000, Uncle Davey wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> news:slrnc2st03.1io.mightymartianca@namibia.tandem...
> >>> On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 10:46:21 +0000 (UTC), Uncle Davey <noway@jose.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > news:slrnc2qofb.ck.mightymartianca@namibia.tandem...
> >>> >> On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:35:14 +0000 (UTC), Uncle Davey
> >>> >> <noway@jose.com> wrote:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > news:slrnc2qjrg.ik.mightymartianca@namibia.tandem...
> >>> >> >> On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:09:56 +0000 (UTC), Uncle Davey
> >>> >> >> <noway@jose.com> wrote:
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > news:slrnc2qfnc.1k4.mightymartianca@namibia.tandem...
> >>> >> >> >> On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:40:11 +0000 (UTC), Uncle Davey
> >>> >> >> >> <noway@jose.com> wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> > news:slrnc2qcie.1ho.mightymartianca@namibia.tandem...
> >>> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:48:16 +0000 (UTC), Dr. Jason
Gastrich
> >>> >> >> >> >> <news@jcsm.org> wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> >> > Richard McBane wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> AC wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:03:34 +0000 (UTC), Dr. Jason
> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> Gastrich <news@jcsm.org> wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> <snip>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >>>>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >>>> Good advice, Davey. It would be wise for the
> >>> >> >> >> >> >>>> questioner
> >> to
> >>> >> > first
> >>> >> >> >> >> >>>> repent of his/her sins and trust Christ for salvation
> >> before
> >>> >> >> > asking
> >>> >> >> >> >> >>>> Him this question. The first prayer God wants to hear
> >>> >> >> >> >> >>>> is
> >> one
> >>> > of
> >>> >> >> >> >> >>>> repentance and belief in Christ.
> >>> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> You know, I don't find that in any technical manual I
> >>> > possess.
> >>> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> You just have to check the JCMS manual.
> >>> >> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >> > Please check the Bible.
> >>> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> You mean it talks about computer maintenance in the Bible?
> >>> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> Jason runs an online ministry
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> so he have to come up with a simple online method to
save
> >>> > folks
> >>> >> > that
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> doesn't require any material stuff like water or laying
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> on
> >> of
> >>> >> > hands.
> >>> >> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >> > No, my church and the churches I've attended don't
require
> >>> > water
> >>> >> > or
> >>> >> >> >> > laying
> >>> >> >> >> >> > on of hands. These things aren't in the biblical
doctrine
> >> of
> >>> >> >> > salvation.
> >>> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> Posting out of context quotations on websites isn't in the
> >> Bible
> >>> >> >> > either,
> >>> >> >> >> > so
> >>> >> >> >> >> why do you do that?
> >>> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> Water would probably mess up the online salvation
> >> electrons.
> >>> > So
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> according to the JCMS manual "If you have decided to
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> trust,
> >>> >> > believe
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> and accept Jesus Christ and you just prayed that prayer
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> (or
> >>> > one
> >>> >> > like
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> it) and truly meant it, then you are saved! Please
email
> >> me!"
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> See it's that easy according to:
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.jcsm.org/JCSM/thegospel.htm Emailing Jason
is
> >>> >> >> >> >> >> probably the important part.
> >>> >> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >> > I can't save anyone. Christ saves people. Further,
they
> >> don't
> >>> >> > need
> >>> >> >> > to
> >>> >> >> >> >> > email me.
> >>> >> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> >> > Glad I could clarify. Hope you're ready to repent to
your
> >>> >> > Creator.
> >>> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >> You first. Start by showing us some good works, like
> >>> >> >> >> >> removing
> >>> >> > Philip
> >>> >> >> >> >> Johnson's out-of-context quotation list from your website.
> >>> >> >> >> >> I
> >>> > mean,
> >>> >> >> > what
> >>> >> >> >> >> kind of Christian would bear false witness?
> >>> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> > He's not. He's helping Philip Johnson bear a true one.
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> Johnson's quotes are deliberate distortions, taken out of
> >>> >> >> >> context
> >> to
> >>> >> > make
> >>> >> >> >> people seem to be saying one thing that, when context is
> >> restored,
> >>> > show
> >>> >> >> > them
> >>> >> >> >> saying something entirely different. If this isn't bearing
> >>> >> >> >> false
> >>> >> > witness,
> >>> >> >> >> Davey, then what do you call it?
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> > Translating.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Perhaps you would like to explain this one-word answer? How is
> >> taking
> >>> > a
> >>> >> >> quote out of context to try to show someone saying one thing
when
> >>> > context
> >>> >> >> clearly shows them saying something else translating? I'm
really
> >> quite
> >>> >> > keen
> >>> >> >> to see your apolo^H^H^H^H^Hexplanation for this one.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> > 'Kay.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > The story is told of a businessman who went to Russia, and he
> >> gathered
> >>> >> > together the management of the company his company had bought and
> >>> >> > he
> >>> > told
> >>> >> > them all how better they were gonna be now that they had a
> >>> >> > westerner
> >> in
> >>> >> > charge, and how he was gonna kick ass on anybody who didn't make
> >>> >> > the
> >>> > grade,
> >>> >> > and generally a lot of things which would have made highly
> >>> >> > improbable
> >>> > that
> >>> >> > he would ever witness the old copper-pipey suspended ceiling of
> >>> >> > Sheremietievo airport on the way out of the country. He was
greeted
> >>> > warmly
> >>> >> > by the crowd and they wished him well. Later he found out that
the
> >>> > reason he
> >>> >> > was able to get a nice reaction and not get rybkinned was because
> >>> >> > the translator had removed all the insults of the Russians and
the
> >> threats
> >>> > and
> >>> >> > put in pleasantries instead.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > He said "Alexey, you didn't translate what I said". To which the
> >>> > translator
> >>> >> > said. "No, I translated what you OUGHT to have said."
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Sometimes good translation is like that.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> So, in other words, Philip Johnson is changing the meaning of these
> >> people
> >>> >> have said by taking the quotes out of context. You just happen to
> >> think
> >>> >> that the new meaning is right.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Is your god so small and insignificant, so thoroughly meaningless
> >>> >> that
> >> he
> >>> >> requires that Richard Dawkins and Charles Darwin be made to sound
> >>> >> like
> >>> > they
> >>> >> don't accept evolution? Is this what Christianity is really about?
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> > No, but they will all acknowledge the truth sooner or later anyway.
> >>>
> >>> That's not the point. You are being evasive now. YOu know fully well
> >> that
> >>> Philip Johnson is a liar, and you know fully well that Jason is
> >>> spreading lies. How do you live with yourself, knowing that on this
> >>> very group you are making your religion look like a den of deceivers?
> >>>
> >>>
> >> I don't know anything about Philip Johnson, and I accept that Jason is
> >> sincere.
> >>
> >> I see much more deceit on your side.
> >>
> >
> > Example?
>
> He seems to think that my statement that a mined quote of Dawkins was the
> first step in my long, arduous departure from my Christian roots. I can't
> imagine why he thinks I am deceiving him, but I'll say that, for some odd
> reason, it bothers me a great deal. I have no reason to lie to him, to
> attempt to deceive him, and yet to be accused of this sort of deceit seems
> to me to be horribly uncharitable. I don't know why he would think I
would
> lie to him about this. I have told this story before, long before I ever
> heard of Uncle Davey.
I'm sure you did, I'm sure you even believe it yourself.
That doesn't stop it being a lie, though. At least, not by the standards
you've applied to us.
Uncle Davey
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