On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 10:35:31 +0000 (UTC), "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com>
wrote:
>
>news:0ebr20dc4v8f9bvtp5nb9ho9gm7m8fu8va@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 01:55:04 +0000 (UTC), Ken Shaw <none.of@your.biz>
>> wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> >>>>Sometimes good translation is like that.
>> >>>
>> >>>So, in other words, Philip Johnson is changing the meaning of these
>people
>> >>>have said by taking the quotes out of context. You just happen to
>think
>> >>>that the new meaning is right.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> So is Davey admitting that the quotes that Johnson uses have a new
>> >> meaning when used out of context?
>> >>
>> >> Gastrich does not agree with this idea. He believes that the words
>were
>> >> literally spoken and therefore the meaning is not changed. It's
>> >> interesting that he does not do this when reading the bible. In that
>> >> case he twists it all around looking for even weak context to confirm
>> >> his literal truth. However, if Gastrich is quoted out of context he
>> >> screams blue murder. What an ironic world he lives in.
>> >>
>> >> Unfortunately, flawed logic will get him far, especially since the
>flock
>> >> believes every word they hear from this 'respected' 'Th.D.'. The
>> >> argument from authority is religions biggest weakness. As well as
>> >> religions biggest sin.
>> >>
>> >> The problem with the argument from authority is that Chritians have
>> >> killed Christians in the name of God so whose authourity are we to
>> >> believe. I assume from the Good News that best fits our xenophobia?
>> >>
>> >> David
>> >>
>> >
>> >Has anyone ever considered a sort of reverse quote mining project?
>> >People could go through the public statements of Johnson, Gastrich, Ham
>> >etc. and "find" those quotes supportive of evolution. These "quotes
>> >could then be posted somewhere. Then when the inevitable howls of
>> >outrage begin the individuals in question could get their quotes removed
>> >if they agreed to cease using similarly twisted quotes.
>>
>> Emotionally satisfying, perhaps, but neither right *nor* politic, IMHO.
>>
>> We present science as being more accurate and, ultimately, more truthful
>> than creationism largely based on the processes of open exchange of
>> information and peer review as means of preventing just such dishonesty.
>> To purposely publish something we knew to be false, even to make a point
>in
>> defense of science, would reduce us to their level.
>>
>> And if you think they would let the matter go away, you are missing the
>> point of their quote mining. They are not interested in giving a balanced
>> presentation of their opponent's positions and they are not concerned
>about
>> their audience checking to see what the actual facts are (or they wouldn't
>> quote mine in the first place). The complaints about Talk Origin's
>> misrepresentation of creationist's words, as an example of evilutionist's
>> untrustworthyness, would last for decades, at least, probably residing on
>> the same pages as further quote mines of scientists.
>>
>> The games played here in the newsgroup by both sides may not be the
>epitome
>> of a sober search for truth, but once something like you suggest goes up
>on
>> a website, we'd be explaining and disowning it for a long time.
>>
>
>You tell 'em.
>
>Uncle Davey
>
Ladies and gentlemen . . . example # 1 . . .
---------------
J. Pieret
---------------
The deity described by Creationism is, at a fundamental level,
not the God that sent his Son into the world for the redemption
of sin. It is some mad, fallible, ignorant play-tester squeezed
into the shrinking gaps of human ignorance . . .
- Skitter the Cat -
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