On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 13:33:09 -0800, Mover wrote
(in article <011120091733095749%Mover@Watch-Me.com>):
> In article <0001HW.C71261AD00243AEEB02919BF@news.newscene.com>,
> Morpheus <Morpheus@dreamland.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:45:04 -0700, Mover wrote
>> (in article <301020090345041111%Mover@Watch-Me.com>):
>>
>>> In article <0001HW.C70FBEA10021B389B02919BF@news.newscene.com>,
>>> Morpheus <Morpheus@dreamland.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:11:45 -0700, Mover wrote
>>>> (in article <291020092011459224%Mover@Watch-Me.com>):
>>>>
>>>>> In article <0001HW.C70E865E0030FC5BB02919BF@news.newscene.com>,
>>>>> Morpheus <Morpheus@dreamland.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:37:02 -0700, Mover wrote
>>>>>> (in article <271020090037026309%Mover@Watch-Me.com>):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <0001HW.C70BB33B00278972B02919BF@news.newscene.com>,
>>>>>>> Morpheus <Morpheus@dreamland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:08:23 -0700, Mover wrote
>>>>>>>> (in article <261020091808232835%Mover@Watch-Me.com>):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <0001HW.C70A8A2C00132621B02919BF@news.newscene.com>,
>>>>>>>>> Morpheus <Morpheus@dreamland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 05:30:39 -0700, Fort Babysitter wrote
>>>>>>>>>> (in article <4uOdnYDRoYPsbn_XnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A small bit of Y-Not profile
>>>>>>>>>>> ===================
>>>>>>>>>>> This post discusses a few of the small bits of
>>>>>>>>>>> Y-Not and the small Y-Not's moronic presence
>>>>>>>>>>> on Usenet.
>>>>>>>>>>> ++
>>>>>>>>>>> After repeatedly attempting to compete with
>>>>>>>>>>> KidHacker for a presence in the Fort and upon
>>>>>>>>>>> miserably failing, Y-Not started resorting to using
>>>>>>>>>>> tricks that Y-Not thought were clever. And again
>>>>>>>>>>> Y-Not failed miserably. Y-Not was Usenet castrated
>>>>>>>>>>> in the Fort.
>>>>>>>>>>> ++
>>>>>>>>>>> The Usenet castration of Y-Not drove the small
>>>>>>>>>>> bit Y-Not into a deep and torturous mind set. And
>>>>>>>>>>> deep down within and into his insane real self. After
>>>>>>>>>>> being Usenet castrated in the Fort, Y-Not could never
>>>>>>>>>>> again use his little and pitiful Y-Not nic. And he never has.
>>>>>>>>>>> ++
>>>>>>>>>>> The small and little Y-Not's presence on Usenet is
>>>>>>>>>>> now from the real and true Y-Not. Y-Not's presence
>>>>>>>>>>> on Usenet is from a moronic coward that is hiding behind
>>>>>>>>>>> anything that he can find.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Fort Babysitter
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Geeeze. Maybe you're not that crazy after all....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When Doc was 'outed' my theory is he went to ground and Y-Not took
>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>> identity and has been posting as him since.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's interesting! LOL
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But how did he get the password to Doc's hushmail account?
>>>>>>>>> And, would Y Not as Doc do some really stupid things no one who's
>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>> accused of Y Not ever did so bad? I don't think so. Would Y Not ever
>>>>>>>>> attack Grant? No. Would Grant attack Y Not as Doc, even criticize
>>>>>>>>> him?
>>>>>>>>> Impossible! LOL
>>>>>>>>> I see the same Doc here who attacked Y Not so hysterically in the
>>>>>>>>> past,
>>>>>>>>> who still can't stop accusing people who criticize him of being Y
>>>>>>>>> Not.
>>>>>>>>> I see the same Doc who tries to split up friends and supporters of
>>>>>>>>> people he fights with, and tries to manipulate them to attack who he
>>>>>>>>> wants. I see the same Doc who uses personal info to attack people,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> never apologizes for all the wrong he does.
>>>>>>>>> There IS a difference, however, in this new Doc (since just before Y
>>>>>>>>> Not left), and the old; sometimes he tries to not do these bad
>>>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>>> Sometimes he remembers that fighting here serves no GOOD purpose.
>>>>>>>>> Sometimes he remembers to be a better man. Then he is accused of
>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>> that ultimate better man, in the eyes of some, Y Not, his former arch
>>>>>>>>> enemy, the stoic target of resentment and hate of all the fragile
>>>>>>>>> paranoid egos who ever inhabited the Fort. He can't win! LOL
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From my viewpoint, the old simpler Doc was more fun to play with.
>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>> new Doc requires a little more work, but I'll live with it. LOL
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mover
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ps He's never going to like me. LOL
>>>>>>>>> That's alright. I never wanted to lick boots anyway. I wonder what
>>>>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>>>> of Polish he uses. Hungarian? LOL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That certainly is an interesting (amusing even) version of events.
>>>>>>>> Would
>>>>>>>> Grant attack Y-Not?? Ha the puppets act out the play dictated by
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> pulling of the strings.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't see strings. Nothing to gain by them. Results don't show
>>>>>>> evidence of useful purpose. Therefore, you should check your delusion
>>>>>>> for more justification, or Occam's Razor could slice your head off. LOL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The new 'voice' of Doc is different. It's obvious to anyone who has
>>>>>>>> followed
>>>>>>>> your dialogue with him in the past
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What dialog? He doesn't go out of his way to reply to me. I don't ask
>>>>>>> for it, either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even you admit his style has changed. Of course. It isn't that Doc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Changing styles doesn't have to mean different people, Duey. LOL
>>>>>>> Quack! Quack! Quack! Quack! Quack! Quack! Quack! LOL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doc was much nicer before you showed up at the Fort (he loved Y Not),
>>>>>>> then he changed to fanatic combatant. Then he changed to being nice,
>>>>>>> and pulled you into his attack he started again (this is the Doc you
>>>>>>> fixated on, just as he intended), then he went nice (you were disgusted
>>>>>>> with him for that), and then attacked again (ah, he's right again),
>>>>>>> then he went nice (the traitor was lost to you), and then... You should
>>>>>>> get the idea. All through this he was still the same person. He keeps
>>>>>>> changing back and forth, like he was into a fifth. A whole case, a
>>>>>>> whole brewery of it! LOL
>>>>>>> Which is the REAL Doc? There isn't one. Never was. Because HE doesn't
>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Very young children can form Attachment Disorders when their parent(s)
>>>>>>> change their behavior patterns significantly, after the child has
>>>>>>> formed a fixed association for the parent(s) previous behavior pattern.
>>>>>>> In their simple logic, "parent = this". Parent does not do this but
>>>>>>> does that = "not parent". When they become older, and don't realize
>>>>>>> where their feeling of family alienation comes from, they sometimes
>>>>>>> form a fantasy of being adopted to explain it. Some children go so far
>>>>>>> as to believe their parent has been abducted and replaced by an alien.
>>>>>>> This could be your problem. You need Doc to be one way you've fixated
>>>>>>> on. When he isn't, to you he can't be Doc, so he must have been
>>>>>>> replaced by the very alien Y Not.
>>>>>>> Now are you sure you want to be prancing about around here being the
>>>>>>> poster CHILD of such a juvenile psychological disorder? I hope not! LOL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "...the stoic target of resentment and hate of all the fragile egos
>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>> ever
>>>>>>>> inhabited the fort..." Wow. If I din't know you were kidding, I'd
>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> were delusional.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But you're not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But I was. LOL
>>>>>>> Obvious exaggeration can be a form of humor, right?
>>>>>>> But you didn't want to see it that way. Now who's delusional? LOL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> More of a sociopath.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More of nothing but me. LOL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, there's no evidence of my being a sociopath in any of my posts.
>>>>>>> So far. LOL
>>>>>>> Nor in yours. Or, possibly surprisingly enough, in lookin's.
>>>>>>> In fact, I don't see how there could be, in the fantom partial entities
>>>>>>> we create to show of ourselves in what we chose to post.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LOL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why should I post something you would agree with, to YOU? Where would
>>>>>>> be the fun in that? LOL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think what I posted about psychological things is new to you or
>>>>>>> to other people here (lots of people here know about psychology), so
>>>>>>> don't go calling me Y Not because of that. Pick a different, better,
>>>>>>> reason, if you have to use that old attack tactic that DOC invented for
>>>>>>> you. LOL
>>>>>>> Oh, didn't he once (or twice?) call YOU Y Not? LOL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you have any more buttons I haven't pushed yet, please let me know
>>>>>>> about them. I'd be much obliged. LOL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mover
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If there was ever any doubt that you are Y-Not (not that anyone who's
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> listening in here for very long has any doubt), you removed it with
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> references to Duey. That nic was used by me long before most of the
>>>>>> sock
>>>>>> puppets you currently stage-manage were on scene (including Grant,
>>>>>> Mover
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> even Awake).
>>>>>
>>>>> Not at all. I just proved I was here before you (years before Y Not
>>>>> too), just like I showed lookin, and saw all that happened.
>>>>> I saw the "Quack" being used against you, oh "portly" one. LOL
>>>>> A lot of people saw all that too, and are perfectly able to type them
>>>>> out in a post to you if they feel like it. Doesn't make them Y Not, any
>>>>> more than typing "Amen" makes them the Pope. LOL
>>>>> You always had a problem with proof. LOL
>>>>>
>>>>>> As for Doc, what you say is just bullshit and easily refuted. When I
>>>>>> appeared on the scene you and Doc-1 were embattled. Daily messages
>>>>>> flew
>>>>>> back
>>>>>> and forth with insults. In fact, (as you well know) Doc first accused
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> being one your sock puppets. And "...in the enemy camp..."
>>>>>
>>>>> He sure did. It's hard for anyone else but you to say with accuracy
>>>>> when you "appeared", because most posters lurk for a time before they
>>>>> start posting, and are limited in which groups they know about.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Now you say he "...loved Y-Not'. What nonsense. It simply adds proof
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> fact that Doc = 2 (present Doc) is your invention and bears little
>>>>>> relationship to Doc -1 (original Doc).
>>>>>
>>>>> You really DO have a problem with proof. LOL
>>>>> Most posters who posted before "X-No-Archive: yes" became a popular
>>>>> addition to newsreader headers, have their posts available in the
>>>>> Google archives for all to see. You could see I'm right, but you won't.
>>>>> That would mean research! LOL
>>>>> You might take a look at Doc's recent repost of his old post defending
>>>>> Y Not against Lookin's original castration of him (regarding his
>>>>> precious balls LOL). That was before their falling out. I can tell you
>>>>> how that happened if you want. It could be very interesting what Doc
>>>>> would say about it. LOL
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nonsense also, your contention that I was "fixated" on Doc. We rarely
>>>>>> exchanged messages of any kind and then usually only about security
>>>>>> issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I never particularly trusted Doc then (I certainly don't trust him
>>>>>> now).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nothing against Doc -1 as I don't trust anyone in these groups
>>>>>> until
>>>>>> I've
>>>>>> known them a while and see if they are truthful or if they are true to
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> they say they are.
>>>>>
>>>>> That means you can't trust anybody, because it's impossible to know who
>>>>> they are unless you know them in real life, and even that is no
>>>>> guarantee. Unfortunately, it also shows you want them to expose
>>>>> themselves to you. Not a good thing to hmm, expose here. LOL
>>>>>
>>>>> You do what Doc does; he does things in his posts and says in those
>>>>> posts he's not doing them. For example, his reply to a poster here two
>>>>> months (I think) ago was pure vent against other things, yet in the
>>>>> post he said he wasn't venting. Now why would he think the other poster
>>>>> would even think Doc was venting, at all, enough to justify mentioning
>>>>> it in the first place? Obviously because Doc could see he was venting,
>>>>> but didn't let himself be totally conscious of it, because he didn't
>>>>> want to. I thought that was so funny, it was hard not to point that
>>>>> out, but that would have been discourteous to the other poster.
>>>>> Your use of "Doc-1" and "Doc-2" proves my point. LOL
>>>>>
>>>>>> My first encounter with Doc wasn't even in this group and I've always
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> suspcious because he demanded "proof I was a boylover" by sending him
>>>>>> illegal
>>>>>> pictures, movies, etc. I never did and was suspicious of him from that
>>>>>> time
>>>>>> on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some other posters did that too. abc did that to High (I think that was
>>>>> his nic) right after abc had said he would complain to another poster's
>>>>> NSP about his porn posts to get him in trouble, and forced him out.
>>>>> You were right to be suspicious of Doc, but you weren't of abc. Why?
>>>>> Looks like one of Y Not's little truisms applies here; Double Standards!
>>>>>
>>>>>> There were some folks who, in my opinion, were who they appeared to be.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Grumpy was one. So were abc and Mephi. There are a couple of others
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> trust up to a point in that I'm pretty sure they are uncontaminated
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> you.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're not all that good with making accurate opinions. LOL
>>>>> Paradoxically, You would be much better at it, if you could realize
>>>>> that.
>>>>> Grumpy was Boomer and other people. Mephi used a few different nics and
>>>>> admitted it. So did abc. So did you. LOL In fact, most posters did,
>>>>> except Doc. So, who were they really? Which nic was the real one? LOL
>>>>>
>>>>> How could I contaminate anybody? I never met anybody here in real life.
>>>>> Couldn't give out pig wings (swine flu LOL) even if I wanted to.
>>>>> If you mean Y Not, that applies too, if he never met anyone here in
>>>>> real life. Do you mean he invaded their minds and changed who they
>>>>> were? You like science fiction too? LOL He would have to be a master
>>>>> psychologist to be able to do that with just text, even if it were
>>>>> possible, which I doubt. Oh wait, you said he isn't one at all. We have
>>>>> more than a pair a doxies here! LOL
>>>>> Could it be your understanding of people changed, and not the people?
>>>>> Are you too covered in ego to admit to yourself you can't judge people
>>>>> very well from posts? No one can. Your fixations, not just on Doc as
>>>>> you wanted to know him, but on Y Not and other posters, show you place
>>>>> much too much credence on your non existent ability to judge and
>>>>> recognize people from their posts. None of us can, least of all you.
>>>>> Y Not was impersonated many times, probably over a hundred. Most of
>>>>> them would have gone unrecognized if the header difference hadn't been
>>>>> pointed out. The other way applies too. I could post just like Y Not,
>>>>> use all his deliberate "trademarks" (yes, it was obvious), "especially"
>>>>> his "somewhat" stilted rhythmic prose, just like anybody else can who's
>>>>> a professional writer, and still never be him, because I'm not.
>>>>> All I've said here is logical and reasonable, but can you understand
>>>>> it? Actually, the question should be WHY can't you understand it.
>>>>> Fixations, maybe? LOL
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's a funny incident you might find amusing, and VERY apropos to
>>>>> this theme:
>>>>> In another BL group, before your time, when Y Not was respected and
>>>>> admired by all (and loved too) for being a gentle scholar and
>>>>> counselor, some posters were discussing flaming. Y Not joined the
>>>>> discussion in a different way by posting a short movie of a college
>>>>> student prank of someone setting his fart on fire, and his surprised
>>>>> reaction and yells (I saved it and can repost it if you want, if I can
>>>>> remember which of the two I have was the right one).
>>>>> Many posters there couldn't believe the gentle Y Not would post such a
>>>>> thing, and accused him of being impersonated. It took Y Not a lot of
>>>>> wordy posts, against a lot of resistance, to convince them he was
>>>>> really him. LOL
>>>>>
>>>>> Too bad you weren't here before Doc's blowup, to see Y Not how he was
>>>>> then, and how he was treated in those days. You might think differently
>>>>> about this entire issue now, just as many who knew him then do now.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Other than that I just take folks as they present themselves and
>>>>>> neither
>>>>>> believe or disbelieve them. Except for you, of course.
>>>>>
>>>>> You do what you want to do, what makes you feel good (selfish? LOL),
>>>>> irrespective of logic and facts. That makes you funny, but not always
>>>>> in a flattering to you way.
>>>>> Not that I mind. LOL
>>>>>
>>>>>> You are not to be believed. All you do and all that you pretend to be
>>>>>> is,
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> far as I can tell, some sort of fiction. Fortunately you are given to
>>>>>> creating sock puppets that are so like you that they are easy to detect.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what else is new? Every poster here is fiction! LOL
>>>>> Well, except for Doc, since his exposure.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you need better glasses, before you make more of a spectacle of
>>>>> yourself. LOL
>>>>>
>>>>> Mover
>>>>
>>>> Tell me more about how it is you know Doc didn't post under different
>>>> nics.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't realize that, in addition to ALL your other skills -(
>>>> psychologist,
>>>> clergyman, martial arts experts, secret spy, etc. ad nauseum) you ar
>>>> clairvoyent?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Read a dictionary lately? Obviously not. LOL
>>> I never said I had any of those "skills", some of which are occupations
>>> instead. I thought you had sum edducationalistic skills yourself. Was I
>>> wrong to count on you using them here? LOL
>>>
>>> By the way, isn't "secret spy" a little redundant? LOL
>>> I don't remember he ever said he was one of those. Tell me, what did he
>>> say about that? Could be interesting.
>>> He did say he had dyslexia. Did you know that is often accompanied by
>>> motion sickness? So you really could add nauseums to the list. LOL
>>> "martial arts experts" is supposed to be plural for one person? So many
>>> missed-steaks. Should I feel insulted you didn't give me your best text
>>> cooking effort? LOL
>>>
>>> Doc has posted with different nics, with an autoposter, and not as a
>>> secret, but for his text posts he only used various forms of his full
>>> nic and Doc, and Fort ID, in the Fort and the discussion group, since
>>> at least from when you "appeared", as far as I remember. He said that's
>>> what he did, and I believe him, because he obviously didn't need to do
>>> more. If he wanted clones to fight along side and for him, he
>>> manipulated other people into doing it, such as you and Ninja. Doc
>>> didn't need extra nics. So you "see", clear-voyence isn't needed, when
>>> clear illuminating reason is used with the intelligence to make it
>>> work. That why you didn't? LOL
>>> Ask Doc (he doesn't have a good reason to lie about it), if you really
>>> want to know. I doubt you will. LOL
>>>
>>> If this is all you can complain about in my post, you're almost too
>>> boring to notice. LOL
>>> But anyway, thank you for agreeing with the rest of what I wrote.
>>>
>>> Mover
>>
>> "Can not."
>>
>> "Can too."
>>
>> "Can not"
>>
>> "Can too"
>
> You work in a canning factory? LOL
>
>>
>> As usual you are operating at the level of an over-bearing 10 year old.
>
> To someone without humor, all humor looks like it comes from a 10 year
> old. A wise self-observation from you. Unexpected! LOL
>
> If you stop behaving in some of your posts to me like a spoiled
> childish brat, you wouldn't have me "spanking" you with my branding of
> humor. You can. Some of your replies to me were clever and funny. I
> apologize if I didn't say so to each and every one of your worthy
> posts. I noticed some of them too late for appropriate comment, and
> with some I let you have the last word, out of respect.
>
> If your can can illustration is your basis for comparing me to a ten
> year old, please be advised that such as you described takes TWO to
> make it happen. Didn't you realize you were calling yourself a 10 year
> old? LOL
>
>> You cleverly caught two typos. Whooopdy-fucking-do. You ought to feel
>> very
>> proud.
>
> No. Not clever. They stuck out like cowlicks. Maybe next time? LOL
>
>> BTW (at the level of a little more advanced English criticism) you didn't
>> modify your pronoun "he".
>
> Didn't need to. If you couldn't understand, why should I bother? You
> will form your own wrong conclusions anyway. LOL
>
>> Who he?
>
> Who you? LOL
>
>> Or, better stated in your own language, "Hee Haw".
>>
>
> Could be. LOL
> Does my neck look red to you? I can't see it very well, there's that
> old mullet in the way. LOL
>
> Mover
>
> Ps This thread is getting a bit long. Want to try another?
Sure.
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