On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 06:49:07 -0800 (PST), Kate_G <kate3457@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Dec 27, 11:49 pm, 4s00th <4s0...@hushmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 11:28:15 -0800 (PST), Kate_G <kate3...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>
>> >> >Anti-Pedophile Activists:
>> >> >bob&carole/bobandcarole
>> >> >James Riske
>> >> >Ralph
>>
>> >> This list makes these people seem like something noble,
>>
>> >They ARE noble in that they spend their free time keeping the children
>> >safe from people like yourself.
>>
>> >but all
>> >> they've ever done is come here and yell at people, making preposterous
>> >> accusations about people whom they do not know, have never met and
>> >> cannot possibly know if they've ever done the things they claim.
>>
>> >Because of those entities and others like them, many child pornography
>> >groups and websites have neen removed from usenet.
>>
>> I guess you believe everything you read. That's pure and unadulterated
>> bullshit. Sure, they reported a few groups on Yahoo Groups!
>
>Then it's not 'pure and unadulterated bullshit"
Yes, it is. You said "many child pornography groups and websites have
neen removed from usenet." They did nothing to Usenet. And, FTR, we
don't have web sites on Usenet -- that's called the Web or the WWW.
And for that matter -- they did nothing on the Web, either. They got a
few people kicked off of Yahoo Groups until they could join again
under another name and set up new groups.
>
>> Big deal
>
>Actually it is. I fail to see why you feel the need to minimalize
>these achivements. ANY child pornography that is removed from
>circulation is a victory. It doesn't matter is it was posted in a
>yahoo group or not.
>Did they have your favorite masturbation group removed?
Nothing they tried affected me in the slightest. And, as I said, no
one was arrested for all these allegedly illegal activities -- and
they were only kicked off Yahoo long enough to set up a new Yahoo
Identity and then they were right back setting up groups again --
though they were a lot more careful the second time around.
>> -- those idiots were asking to be shut down by trying to post illegal
>> shit in a public forum.
>
>And thanks to the activists, they got their wish didn't they?
Activists? The bo0b! Oh, it is to laugh!
>Funny thing is, there were no arrests from all
>> that, was there?
>
>You have proof of this?
>
>In fact, all they did is teach people a lesson on how
>> to be more careful. Hu-fucking-rah!
>
>You pedophiles sure have foul mouths.
>
>>But they did absolutely NOTHING to
>> any group on Usenet. Recently some law enforcement agencies have
>> gotten some Usenet providers to voluntarily drop some of the groups
>> that they claim were used to transfer child pornography -- but the
>> people named above had absolutely NOTHING to do with that.
>
>Again do you have proof or are you one of the idiots that expects
>others to take your word for it? The word of a pedophile?
You seem to think I should take your word as gospel when you clearly
don't have a clue as to what you're talking about. But then, why is
this rhetoric so familiar? Where I have heard these very same
statements before? Could it be yet another dreary, smelly sock-puppet
arises?
>> And those others like them that you mention? Yes, some of them did
>> stop the transfer of child pornography -- but they did not do it like
>> the people named above. They actually did something other than hanging
>> around a newsgroup shouting dirty names
>
>You should be an expert on dirty names.
>Your mouth is as foul as what you are.
I learned well from your friends, didn't I?
>> and making false accusations
>> against others. And even then, some of them went over the line.
>> Perverted Justice likes to brag about some of the sites they "brought
>> down." Some of them deserved it -- but many of them did not.
>
>Says you.
>
>Many of
>> those sites contained no illegal content --
>
>Even pedo story sites should be brought down.
Well, never mind freedom of expression. Never mind the right to free
speech. And I never said that those sites contained stories, now did
I? Just that the sites contained nothing illegal -- and, for that
matter, nothing of a sexual nature. They were attacked simply because
the people admitted being attracted to children. No illegal content,
no talk of sex, just because they told the truth.
>The owner of alt.fan.frank-mccoy can attest to that.
>
>
>
>>
>> >> They've come here as bigots and haters;
>
>Sorry, it isn't bigotry to hate pedophiles anymore then it is to hate
>serial killers.
>
>>
>> >Uhhh, most of the civilized world are 'haters' are you choose to refer
>> >to them. If hating pedophiles and child abuse is 'bigotry', count me
>> >in.
>>
>> I hate child abuse -- and I'm willing to bet that I hate it a whole
>> lot more than you do. But the bigotry comes in when you assume that
>> people are child-molesters, when you assume that all pedophiles are
>> child-molesters when many, like me, choose not to touch a child.
>
>Again your word. Pedophiles are born liars, they have to be to
>continue their rapist ways. Your word is no different.
"Pedophiles are born liars." Now why, oh why, does that sound so
familiar?
>> >people who assume that
>> >> pedophiles cannot stop themselves from molesting children. And the
>> >> most they've done is yell a few insults. Tah-rah-fucking-boom-ba!
>
>You contradict yourself Steve, you admitted that they reported "a few"
>yahoo groups and the groups were removed. That's more than "a few"
>insults isn't it?
>
>You really should work on your FUCKING language Steve.
I guess you only chose to use such language as a contrast, then? When
you can bother to tell me to do something without doing it yourself,
I'll consider it. Until then, your remarks are meaningless.
> >http://www.wikisposure.com/Alt.support.boy-lovers
>
>>
>> >> You bigots come in here and automatically hate people because they are
>> >> sexually attracted to kids.
>>
>> >Well yeah you creep!
>> >Thousands of lives are ruined by your kind and you expect politeness
>> >and love?
>>
>> I never asked you for anything. But it would make sense that if you
>> want to stop child abuse -- AS YOU CLAIM -- you might take the time to
>> find out who is out there doing it rather than attack those of us who
>> have given much of our lives to prevent it.
>
>Again all i have is your word and i wouldn't trust you any farther
>than i could throw you.
"I wouldn't trust you any farther than I could throw you." Another
direct quote that I've read here before.
>> And while we're on the subject, how many lives have been ruined by
>> YOUR KIND? Blind bigots who assume things about other people based on
>> words they don't even understand? And yet, I've been much more kind
>> and polite to you hoping that you have the intelligence to open your
>> mind and learn the truth beyond what you have been told to believe.
>
>Again the pedophile attempts to transfer the blame for his debauchery
>to the innocent.
Bigots are innocent? Of what?
And I've never made light of the kind of damage that child-molesters
can do to children and families. And I've always put the blame for
that harm exactly where it belongs -- on the child-molesters who do
not bother to think of the harm they are doing but do what they want
to anyway for their own selfish reasons.
Transfer blame, dear? I think not. I'm merely pointing out that
millions more people are harmed each day by ignorant bigotry -- the
type you continue to show. Before you go pointing out the mote in my
eye, you really should remove the log from your own.
>the wind.
>>
>> >Well, let me make this clear: no one asked
>> >> for these feelings, no one chose to have these feelings -- we all
>> >> discovered them.
>>
>> >Tough. Rapists and serial killers claim to be born that way also but
>> >they are killed or incarcerated to protect the public.
>>
>> Not if they never commit rape or murder they are not. And that's the
>> point -- you never bothered to find out if I ever harmed anyone, did
>> you?
>
>There's no way to find out. Your word is worthless.
My word is worth every bit as much as yours. In fact, if you're
convinced that I'm such a liar, how is it that you believe me when I
say I'm a pedophile? You can't have it both ways, dear. Either I'm
telling the truth or I'm not. But regardless of whether I am telling
the truth or not, you never bothered to try to find out, did you? No,
you just made your ASS U mptions -- because your prejudiced belief
that pedophiles are child-molesters and liars will not let you see
even the slightest possibility that you are as wrong as you are
ignorant.
>>You made some assumptions based on your bigoted beliefs and you
>> were so terribly wrong.
>
>As it is with 99% of normal folk, I don't care if you're currently
>offending or not. You have in the past and you could again. Like a
>wild animal, you are dangerous. Tigers are used in circus acts and
>made to look tame, but they have that wild streak that cannot be
>removed {Ask Sigfreid and Roy}
>They can revert at any time.
That's the most stupid thing you've said so far. First you assume that
I've molested children in the past -- a statement that has no evidence
to back it up. Second, a tiger is not a human being. A human being
always has the choice on how he or she behaves. No matter what one
might want to do, one can always choose to do the right thing. Unlike
tigers, human beings are not bound by baser desires and instincts.
If I were to follow your logic, that means that you are every bit as
dangerous as I am. For, like it or not, you are subject to the very
same instincts and human desires and failings as I am. So tell me, how
do you stop yourself from taking things that you want but you can't
afford to buy? How is it that you don't go all Rambo and hurt people
who piss you off by cutting you off on the highway or talking in movie
theaters while you're trying to watch a movie or who insist in
disturbing you when you're trying to get something done? How is it
that you don't just go rape someone to who you feel attracted but
aren't interested in pursuing a relationship with you? If you can stop
yourself from doing something that you want to do but know that you
should not -- then I'm certainly capable of controlling my own
behavior. And so are most people, leaving room for people who actually
have impulse control disorders usually due to organic brain problems.
>> The truth about my wayward one is that he was a teenager who was
>> attracted to younger boys. He had all kinds of fantasies about having
>> sex
>
>It figures, your kind of person.
But you didn't know that when you put yourself into the middle of my
message to a friend that I care about, did you? You had not a single
clue who my wayward one was or what my connection to him was -- you
just made an ASS U mption based on your ignorant bigotry.
>> So you can yell at me all you want,
>
>You are the one with the foul mouth.
I forgot you have virgin ears and would never use such coarse language
yourself.
> but what I did was actually
>> prevent a young man from becoming a child molester. By working with
>> this smart and wonderful kid, I helped prevent the molestation of any
>> number of children, because who knows how many kids he might have
>> molested before he was caught and stopped? Do you think you and your
>> words of hate could ever do something that good? No. You only piss
>> people off. You only make people feel like they might as well be doing
>> what you're accusing them of doing if people like you are going to
>> think that's what they're doing anyway! You just waste bandwidth to
>> spread hatred.
>
>Give it a rest.
Why? I stopped someone from molesting a child -- something you claim
would be a good thing, something you say you're all in favor of. So
why is it that it makes you unhappy to know that I can do it -- is it
because you cannot?
>> I help people >learn to control >themselves.
>
>The goal of pedospeak is to trick people into thinking that they're
>harmless,
>and to become more acceptable to society. http://wikisposure.com/Pedospeak
Everyone is dangerous -- if we allow ourselves to be controlled by our
passions. And not a single one of us has any control over those
passions. We don't choose what we feel, we discover it. The key is to
understand that you have no choice in what you feel, but you do -- you
always do -- have a choice in how you choose to act on those feelings.
I do not apologize for being a pedophile -- it was not my choice
anymore than I choose to have big brown eyes and brown hair. But I
will choose how to act on those feelings, and I choose to see to it
that I NEVER harm a child for my own selfish desires and feelings.
Certainly there are some kids that would not be harmed -- but there
are a lot of others who would be devastated and feel the effects of
that pain for the rest of their lives. And since there is no way to
tell what will happen with a particular child, I choose to abstain
from any kind of sexual relationship with any child. I will remain
celibate if I can find no adult relationship in which I can have those
feelings of love and lust met.
And I owe society no apology for being what I am. Only if I decide to
allow myself to harm others do I owe an apology or debt to anyone.
Pedophilia is a normal part of the continuum of human sexual desire;
it has always existed, and it always will. But that does not mean
there is any excuse for allowing your feelings to control you. You
can't control them, but they can't control you either, unless you
allow them to.
>> Put your bigoted notions aside and look at this like an intelligent
>> person: what's better -- yelling names at people or helping them learn
>> how to live with their feelings without harming anyone? What's better,
>> pissing people off with your hatred or actually working to prevent
>> child abuse?
>>
>> Yes, thousands of lives are ruined each year by adults who are too
>> selfish to think of the harm they can cause to child just so they can
>> get their rocks off. But not all pedophiles choose to do that -- many
>> of them choose to control themselves, and many more can learn to do so
>> if they can get the help they need to do it. My goal is to make that
>> help available to them. My goal is to prevent child abuse BEFORE it
>> happens.
>>
>> So, tell me, what's your goal? What brought you to this group?
>I found you on a crosspost a few months ago and i've been watching and
>reading the archives. I can't believe a group like this exists and i'm
>glad that as wikisposure says
>because of the disruption this group has lost it's focus.
So you'd rather people who could be out molesting children not have a
place to go where they can hear other people tell them that it's
wrong, that they need to take control of their lives and stop the
madness? You'd rather there be no place where people can get the help
that might just keep them from harming a child? You'd rather that
people not get the help that might stop them from harming a child?
If you claim you oppose child abuse, then you ought to hope this place
never looses its focus. You ought to hope that people here never give
in to those of you who want to keep help away from people who need it
or to those who want to make excuses to do the horrible things that
they know they should not be doing.
But I suspect that you'll just remain an ignorant bigot who does not
bother to look beyond the tip of her own nose. Or whoever's hand is
inside that sock-puppet you wear.
-- 4s00th@hushmail.com
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