On 20 Dec 2008 18:31:01 -0600, +Grant <+Grant@grant.grant> wrote:
>In article
><c410f71d-8f8b-498a-b860-3a4b9e4c4551@e25g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
>4s00th <4s00th@hushmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:41:00 -0800 (PST), LC <secto...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >Every two weeks I receive injections of a female hormone
>> > >(medroxyprogesterone) designed to counteract my testosterone, thus
>> > >depressing my libido- a process known as "chemical castration." I
>> > >also
>> > >attend weekly group psychotherapy sessions, in a cognitive
>> > >restructuring ("brainwash") program for sex offenders (mostly
>> > >incestuous fathers, step-fathers, and grandfathers).
>> > >a
>> > >ultra-liberal nudist family. The parents attended and hosted adults-
>> > >only orgies. The children went with them on nude camping trips and
>> > >visits to the nude beach. Although I was a self-described pedophile,
>> > >the parents allowed me to befriend their two children, a boy and a
>> > >girl, then around 7 and 8.
>> > >play,
>> > >usually nude. In addition, I fondled the girl's vulva and
>> > >occasionally
>> > >performed cunnilingus on her. I never had erections in their
>> > >presence,
>> > >nor did I ask them to perform any sexual acts on me.
>> > >realized her feelings for me amounted merely to friendship. In my
>> > >fantasy I was her lover; in practice, her playmate.
>> > >the company of children, more than most adults do. Second, I am
>> > >unable
>> > >to maintain an erection with any partner (man, woman, girl, or boy)
>> > >which is a severe handicap in adult relationships; but no handicap
>> > >with children. Third, my ideal woman would be quite petite (like my
>> > >mother, who was only 5 ft. tall, and thin); so girls are attractive
>> > >by
>> > >being short, and by having slender bodies and smooth skin. Fourth, I
>> > >lack attributes expected of an adult male (no job, no car, no dancing
>> > >ability, etc.); which makes it difficult to relate to adult women,
>> > >especially as I age; but kids don't care if you're old and poor; they
>> > >merely seek attention. Fifth, I am emotionally child-like and
>> > >childish
>> > >myself.
>> > >to justify my behavior. I believed that sexual pleasure was
>> > >inherently
>> > >good, and that some (not all) types of erotic play were age-
>> > >appropriate for children, such as masturbation, fondling, and nudity.
>> > >If sex were basically good, then sexual learning would begin as soon
>> > >as the child showed interest.(Precocity in music is praised; but
>> > >sexual ignorance is considered virtue.) I believed that my needs
>> > >suited me to be an erotic mentor to an intelligent child.
>> > >consent of the parents, could become acceptable in advanced societies
>> > >such as Denmark or the Netherlands. And among avant-garde life-
>> > >stylers
>> > >here. But I failed to worry enough about the reaction of the straight
>> > >state.
>> >
>> On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:50:58 -0800, Brandon D Cartwright
>> <user@example.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:41:00 -0800 (PST), LC <sectoor4@gmail.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>Every two weeks I receive injections of a female hormone
>> >>(medroxyprogesterone) designed to counteract my testosterone, thus
>> >>depressing my libido- a process known as "chemical castration." I
>> >>also
>> >>attend weekly group psychotherapy sessions, in a cognitive
>> >>restructuring ("brainwash") program for sex offenders (mostly
>> >>incestuous fathers, step-fathers, and grandfathers).
>> >> My crime occurred in 1980 or earlier. Thru swinging, I had met
>> >>a
>> >>ultra-liberal nudist family. The parents attended and hosted adults-
>> >>only orgies. The children went with them on nude camping trips and
>> >>visits to the nude beach. Although I was a self-described pedophile,
>> >>the parents allowed me to befriend their two children, a boy and a
>> >>girl, then around 7 and 8.
>> >> Most of my interaction with the kids consisted of innocent
>> >>play,
>> >>usually nude. In addition, I fondled the girl's vulva and
>> >>occasionally
>> >>performed cunnilingus on her. I never had erections in their
>> >>presence,
>> >>nor did I ask them to perform any sexual acts on me.
>> >> I was romantically in love with my girl victim, although I
>> >>realized her feelings for me amounted merely to friendship. In my
>> >>fantasy I was her lover; in practice, her playmate.
>> >> My urge was driven by several factors: First, I genuinely enjoy
>> >>the company of children, more than most adults do. Second, I am
>> >>unable
>> >>to maintain an erection with any partner (man, woman, girl, or boy)
>> >>which is a severe handicap in adult relationships; but no handicap
>> >>with children. Third, my ideal woman would be quite petite (like my
>> >>mother, who was only 5 ft. tall, and thin); so girls are attractive
>> >>by
>> >>being short, and by having slender bodies and smooth skin. Fourth, I
>> >>lack attributes expected of an adult male (no job, no car, no dancing
>> >>ability, etc.); which makes it difficult to relate to adult women,
>> >>especially as I age; but kids don't care if you're old and poor; they
>> >>merely seek attention. Fifth, I am emotionally child-like and
>> >>childish
>> >>myself.
>> >> I developed an elaborate rationalization ("stinkin' thinkin' ")
>> >>to justify my behavior. I believed that sexual pleasure was
>> >>inherently
>> >>good, and that some (not all) types of erotic play were age-
>> >>appropriate for children, such as masturbation, fondling, and nudity.
>> >>If sex were basically good, then sexual learning would begin as soon
>> >>as the child showed interest.(Precocity in music is praised; but
>> >>sexual ignorance is considered virtue.) I believed that my needs
>> >>suited me to be an erotic mentor to an intelligent child.
>> >> I believed that such relationships, with the knowledge and
>> >>consent of the parents, could become acceptable in advanced societies
>> >>such as Denmark or the Netherlands. And among avant-garde life-
>> >>stylers
>> >>here. But I failed to worry enough about the reaction of the straight
>> >>state.
>> >
>> >Congratulations for having the courage to confront your sickness
>> >and recognize it for what it is and persevering with your treatment..
>>
>> Brandon, you need to stop pretending you are some kind of expert in
>> the field when you no nothing of any true worth about pedophilia. It
>> is not a sickness, it is a natural preference, just the same as some
>> people prefer strawberry ice cream and others prefer vanilla, and it
>> falls along the natural continuum of human sexual preference -- if it
>> did not, it would not have always existed, but it has.
>>
>> Pedophilia does not require treatment -- it requires understanding and
>> acceptance; understanding that you cannot change it, understanding
>> that you must live with it, understanding that you can really harm
>> some wonderful people if you let it control you. Acceptance that you
>> must be responsible for your own actions, acceptance that there is no
>> excuse for harming others for your own selfish desires, acceptance
>> that you and YOU ALONE can choose what you do.
>>
>> I know sickness -- I live with it daily. My auto-immune disease -- I
>> can do nothing about but take my treatments and hope that they keep
>> the disease at bay. My pain -- I can do nothing about but take my
>> treatments and hope that they will be enough to keep me going. My
>> depression -- I can do nothing about but take my medicine and hope
>> that it will be enough to keep me out of the kind of despair that
>> would cause me to hurt myself or someone else. These things I can do
>> nothing about but accept the currently available treatments and hope
>> that they are enough until better treatments come along. And, yes,
>> some of those treatments do involve trying to manage my behaviors some
>> since behavior can trigger sickness or make it worse.
>>
>> But my pedophilia -- there is no acceptable treatment for pedophilia
>> -- because it isn't an illness and doesn't require treatment. It
>> requires that I accept that this is the way it is, that I be
>> responsible for my own behaviors and that I control what I do, not let
>> desires control me. Chemical castration sounds like a nice little
>> trick -- until you look at how well -- or how poorly -- it works. In
>> the first place, it can only lessen sexual desire -- it cannot change
>> behavior. And that's assuming that it works on the person being given
>> the damn stuff! For many people, long-term depo-provera just doesn't
>> do enough to slow down libido. AND, as I said, pedophilia is a
>> feeling, child molesting is a behavior. You don't have to have sexual
>> desire to act out those behaviors. Just as you don't have to have an
>> erection to molest a child. In the long term, it doesn't work. For
>> many people, it doesn't work at all. Trust me on this -- I've never
>> taken depo-provera except for illness, but I was on steroids most of
>> the years between my 18th and 36th birthdays -- drugs that are
>> chemically very similar, and they did nothing to me except turn my
>> body into a mess of pain from decalcified bones and connective
>> tissues.
>>
>> Long-term cognitive-behavioral therapy is one of the few things that
>> can be effective -- and do you know why? Because it teaches you to
>> accept what you cannot change and to manage your behavior accordingly.
>> Funny, but that's just what I've always said you had to do.
>>
>> You've proven time and time again that your "knowledge" of pedophilia
>> is based on prejudiced belief in false stereotypes that media idiots
>> push -- and I've shown you how wrong you are so many times that you
>> now admit that you may have been mistaken in your preconceived notions
>> about pedophilia and pedophiles. Isn't it time to let go of all of
>> them and admit that I know what I'm talking about? Or will you bring
>> up all the straw men that you so frequently post here from web sites
>> that don't know a damn thing except how to whip up hatred and
>> ignorance?
>>
>> What really bites my ass is why I still care enough to keep trying
>> with you! I ought to just wash my hands of the whole damn mess and say
>> fuck you and leave you to wallow in the ignorance that you refuse to
>> let go of!
>>
>> If I had any brain cells left that weren't all too busy making sure I
>> don't let myself do the wrong thing, I'd give you up for a lost cause.
>>
>> XXX is a lost cause. It astounds me that I can actually say that, but
>> it's the truth. As long as he wants to continue to lie to himself and
>> make excuses for doing things that he shouldn't do, then I can't help
>> him. But I'm also willing to bet that he's a lot less certain of
>> himself when it comes down to actually doing anything than he lets on.
>> He might want to blame society for the metaphoric gun in his hand, but
>> he knows damn well that it's his finger on the trigger.
>>
>> -- 4s00th@hushmail.com
>>
>> If you send email, I will reply to it here at asbl
>> (without showing your email addy)
>> unless you ask me not to.
>
>
>Great post!
>
>I cut out the crosspost groups so the others might not see this but I
>don't care.
>Question: Why did LC crosspost his "history"? Doesn't he know thats
>what trolls do? Is he a troll and his confession false? If it is its
>still worth it to make your great post happen. Thanks for all you do
>for BLs.
Thanks, Grant, I appreciate it.
-- 4s00th@hushmail.com
If you send email, I will reply to it here at asbl
(without showing your email addy)
unless you ask me not to.
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