In article <eywkf.207148$xd2.168604@fe03.news.easynews.com>, PM
<@cannon.bang> wrote:
> "::Y-Not::" <+10$-Y-Not@here.com> wrote in
> news:031220052005553429%+10$-Y-Not@here.com:
>
> > In article <nqr2p1htlh9eo7jdjkgmc1utaj4nt03sc3@4ax.com>,
> > <MichaellikeGod@heaven> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 04:39:02 -0500, "::Y-Not::" <+10$-Y-Not@here.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <s6bkf.248023$dZ.61328@fe02.news.easynews.com>, PM
> >> ><@cannon.bang> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "::Y-Not::" <+10$-Y-Not@here.com> wrote in
> >> >> news:021220052005488903%+10$- Y-Not@here.com:
> >> >>
> >> >> > In article <qfc0p19tdrf0aadve5mv52g11puil0v962@4ax.com>,
> >> >> > <MichaellikeGod@heaven> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 01:50:51 -0600, Bellamy <dot@dot.cum>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> LOL...indirectly to your lost and hopeless soul.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I pray you enjoy God's curse He brings upon you!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> God Bless
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> t Michael t
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Let us see here:
> >> >> > You say God will curse him? And then you tell God to bless him?
> >> >> > But before that, you pray he should ENJOY God's curse?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Before you should preach to some "lost and hopeless soul", you
> >> >> > really should work on your own lost, hopeless, and very confused
> >> >> > soul.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In my previous last post to you, I tried to lead you to
> >> >> > understand something. You dismissed me before we finished. We
> >> >> > continue now, because you REALLY need help.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The Bible as we know it today, was written by many people,
> >> >> > mostly from what other people told them, and then only certain
> >> >> > parts of the available holy texts were voted to be included in
> >> >> > it, based mostly on the political climate of the time. EDITORS!
> >> >> > :-/ And THEN, we have translations, which were also influenced
> >> >> > by the political climate of the times, and sometimes even
> >> >> > intentionally. Example; in the King James version, Exodus
> >> >> > 22:17-19, it says "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."
> >> >> > Translated from the original Hebrew, into idiomatic American
> >> >> > English, that would be (my emphasis) "Execute all POISONERS". In
> >> >> > the King Games translation, the translator was ordered to change
> >> >> > the word, because Witches ("Wise Women, or Wiccans) practiced
> >> >> > effective herbal medicine and euthanasia, all of which were
> >> >> > against the doctrine of the Church at the time, that people
> >> >> > should NOT have their God willed suffering be ameliorated, and
> >> >> > was deliberately intended to justify persecution of Pagans.
> >> >> > Even with honest translation, what results is imperfect, because
> >> >> > it is done by imperfect man, with his own culture, biases and
> >> >> > knowledge acting to influence what he does. But there is more.
> >> >> > To most effectively translate from one language to another, one
> >> >> > must understand the culture of the person who created the
> >> >> > original story. Example:
> >> >> > On more than one Gospel It is said
> >> >> > ***
> >> >> >> Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto
> >> >> >> you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the
> >> >> >> kingdom of heaven.
> >> >> >> And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to
> >> >> >> go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to
> >> >> >> enter into the kingdom of God.
> >> >> > ***
> >> >> > In reality, at the time, this was a common saying to illustrate
> >> >> > the impossible. "The Eye of the Needle" was the nickname of a
> >> >> > very small gate into Jerusalem, that a camel could squeeze
> >> >> > through, but not with a rich man's belongings strapped to it.
> >> >> > So, the saying went, "it's as possible as a rich man's camel
> >> >> > passing through the Eye of the Needle".
> >> >> > Because of this, it's quite likely that the passage in the Bible
> >> >> > was actually CREATED to give relevance to a figure of speech
> >> >> > that the writer didn't understand.
> >> >> > Another example:
> >> >> > Many times the Bible refers to something happening THREE TIMES,
> >> >> > from donkey things, to Peter disowning Jesus.
> >> >> > This is actually amusing, because the writers actually CREATED
> >> >> > stories around another figure of speech. Yes, that's what it
> >> >> > was. It was used for emphasis, and NOT meant to be taken
> >> >> > literally. "You will do this three times" actually means, "You
> >> >> > bet your a** you will!" Jesus said this figure of speech to
> >> >> > Peter, not to be taken literally, but to add emphasis to his
> >> >> > statement. But the Gospel writers, in not understanding
> >> >> > this, CREATED scenes to make it literally true!
> >> >> > There are many more things in the Bible like this.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So, is the Bible the exact word of God, or fallible imperfect
> >> >> > man's interpretation of history?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > There is one more thing to add to this.
> >> >> > The various parts of the Bible were written in different
> >> >> > languages, none of them being modern languages we now use. They
> >> >> > were ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, Latin, and probably a few
> >> >> > others. At the time of it's finalization, the Bible was written
> >> >> > in Greek, as that was the language of higher education then. The
> >> >> > various parts have been translated into other languages, and
> >> >> > then translated again, and each translator has produced
> >> >> > different results, that get added to by the next. There is a
> >> >> > reason for this. Those who study Human languages, know they are
> >> >> > different. So different in fact, that perfect translation from
> >> >> > one language to another is impossible. The reasons for this are
> >> >> > very difficult to explain to someone who hasn't studied this,
> >> >> > but they are very real.
> >> >> > Given all this, it's just not possible that the various versions
> >> >> > and translations of the Bible, WHICH ARE NOT THE SAME, can all
> >> >> > be the exact word of God. We will never have it, from what we
> >> >> > know exists at this time. What we do have, is a Great Book, with
> >> >> > all kinds of wonderfully useful teachings in it, and a
> >> >> > historical record which is as accurate and inaccurate as any
> >> >> > other historical record.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Monotheism is against human nature. Worshiping a deity one can't
> >> >> > see, is even more against human nature. Man usually finds a way
> >> >> > to act in accordance with his nature, even if he has to lie to
> >> >> > himself, in order to do it. So we can't see God, but we NEED to
> >> >> > worship something physical, so we choose a torture device to
> >> >> > worship, or graven images of people, such as Mary, to worship,
> >> >> > or rotting body parts of "Saints" and other artifacts, or
> >> >> > Russian paintings. And we also choose a BOOK to worship. Is it
> >> >> > truly God's creation? In a way it is, in the sense that
> >> >> > all reality is God's creation. So why do we worship only that
> >> >> > book that is written by man, as His Word, when we can see His
> >> >> > Words in EVERYTHING he has directly created? Look all around
> >> >> > you, to see God for real. The Book isn't him, EVERYTHING but
> >> >> > what is created by humans with the free will he gave us, IS Him.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It really IS a Good Book, but it's not perfect. But then,
> >> >> > neither are we. He made us that way. :-)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Do I expect you to agree with any of this? Not really, at this
> >> >> > time. But anything's possible, right? :-)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Take care,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Y Not
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Opening the mind can open the heart.
> >> >> > Opening the heart can open the mind."
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Go get him Y-Not. Unfortunately the fault of all this is my
> >> >> beloved Akenhaten (meaning) "THE GLORY OF ATEN" or "HE WHO IS
> >> >> EFFECTIVE ON THE ATENs BEHALF". who delcared that there should be
> >> >> only one god. Nothing has gone right since then to this very
> >> >> day.LOL, and the hypocracy continues unabated. PM.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Sorry PM, he has blinded himself. The only light he sees is his own.
> >> >He says the Bible is the True Word of God, but he neglects to tell
> >> >us which of the many DIFFERENT translations is the "real" one.
> >> >Anyway, NO English translation can be the real one, because it isn't
> >> >even a direct translation
> >> >He is unable to understand academic discourse. When I related to him
> >> >the common saying that was in place in the culture that was
> >> >described in the Bible, he accused me of misquoting the Bible, even
> >> >though I had actually included the actual quote with it. Or maybe he
> >> >just doesn't know how to read.
> >> >He doesn't understand the concept of language. I told him that the
> >> >original Hebrew word means "poisoner", and that it has been
> >> >deliberately mistranslated. This can be verified by any Hebrew
> >> >scholar, and is well known by most academic Bible scholars. I'm not
> >> >guessing in this. When I was a child, I was forced to learn to read
> >> >various versions of the Bible, and other Holy books, in many of
> >> >their original languages; Greek, Latin and Hebrew. I couldn't manage
> >> >Arabic and Sanskrit, although the latter did help me a little with
> >> >the Thai language. I was never able to understand those language
> >> >spoken, and could never speak them myself, and I've forgotten most
> >> >of all of that. Well, I wasn't really interested. I'm still not,
> >> >actually. :-) I have NO talent for languages!
> >> >
> >> >Religious devotion can be a good thing, when it's based on open
> >> >thought, and due deliberation. In his case, his NEED he acquired for
> >> >him to commit to his current fanatical state, was caused by some
> >> >severely damaging past experiences. Instead of healing and
> >> >recovering from them, he submerged them with a form of internal mind
> >> >control. It could have been anything, but in this case, it was his
> >> >personal version of Christianity, that he has made into his amour
> >> >against the perceived blackness of his soul. He has traded one
> >> >mental prison for another. It is also his crutch, which prevents his
> >> >mind and soul from healing. Faith isn't logical, and the use of it
> >> >can't penetrate the rationalizations of the fanatic. They will
> >> >literally NOT see what would shake their faith, as we can see by his
> >> >responses to my posts, which would have drawn good reviews from true
> >> >Bible scholars of many faiths, and ah, sort of has. :-)
> >> >
> >> >You know I'm well aware of Akenhaten and what he did. And also what
> >> >those who came after him did to his memory and what he had
> >> >established. They tried to remove him completely from history, and
> >> >almost succeeded. And boy did he look FUNNY! As was Tut uncommon ly
> >> >beautiful. :-)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Take care,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Y Not
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Opening the mind can open the heart.
> >> > Opening the heart can open the mind."
> >
> >
> > I did not post this to you, so why are you so upset about it? You
> > didn't have to read it.
> >
> >> Obviously you cannot back up your claims with Scripture. You know
> >> neither me nor the one true God of heaven and earth.
> >
> > I can back up everything, very easily, but choose not to, to encourage
> > you to do your own research. This is the way of the teacher.
> > I will provide you with a useful research tool near the end of this
> > message.
> >
> > By the way, WHICH Scripture? There are so many versions.
> >
> > There is no way you can understand what you are reading of history,
> > unless you understand the the environment in which it was written.
> >
> >> You black fool, why should I waste time on your demonic intentions?
> >> You are full of impure knowledge which sends you into the black
> >> abyss. God rids you of any holy intent. As Jesus Christ, the judge,
> >> stands before the accused, you, you will see your destiny is the
> >> abyss of Sheol.
> >
> > You say I have "demonic intentions", but you don't say what they ARE.
> > Well?
> > Which knowledge is "impure"? Who should decide? Would you rather be
> > ignorant?
> >
> >> Do not for one intention to portray what your evil heart desires to
> >> distort in the truth of God. For God knows the heart as well as the
> >> mind. You keep to your own fallen destiny and I will keep to my
> >> promised salvation with God through Jesus Christ.
> >
> > I distort nothing. I say what is known to many others. You can agree
> > or dissagree, but your opinion of it is of value only to you.
> >
> >> Have you ever prayed to God and asked Him if you would receive
> >> salvation? Probably not. I have prayed six times to God whether I
> >> would receive eternal life and God answered all six prayers with a
> >> resounding "Yes."
> >
> > Probably yes. Where do you think my knowledge of the Bible comes from,
> > and my knowledge of religion? I have been a member of the clergy of
> > three religions. In spite of that, I have not found one that was
> > logically consistent.
> > Prayer is good. Everyone should be doing it. Lying that the fallible
> > word of man, is the infallible word of God, when we can see the many
> > versions of it, is NOT good.
> >
> >> You are blind to the word of God and therefore are blind and only see
> >> black. That is why you call me black and distorted. That is because
> >> you only see your distorted self and cannot get off of yourself to
> >> see the light. What God has blinded will remain blinded. I suggest
> >> you pray to God to heal you of your blindness and bring you into the
> >> light so that you might have a change of heart.
> >
> > Oh no, I see colors really well. I have read more of the word of God,
> > than you know exist. What of it?
> >
> >> Otherwise, quit wasting my time with your nonsense chatter. I back
> >> this entire message up with pure scripture and you have never once
> >> quoted any hebrew, greek, or latin scripture references to back up
> >> your claims or disprove me. I have a greek and hebrew dictionary of
> >> which I do not need to dive into. It is plain in scripture all I say
> >> and do for the will of God.
> >
> > Then quit wasting your OWN time reading and replying to my posts.
> > Why do you think people are paying attention to you? Because I ASKED
> > them too, privately, and by drawing attention to your posts by
> > addressing them. Would you like it to end? Or do you want people to
> > actually READ your posts? You maintain a dialogue with ME, and they
> > WILL read your posts.
> >
> > If it helps you, think of it this way.
> > If God didn't have his Adversary, would God have as many adherents?
> > Think about it. Since you have already accused me of being a demon,
> > and other rather personal bad things, I could act as your Official
> > Adversary here. :-)
> > Or would you like to assign that role to the originator of this
> > thread? I'm nicer, you should know. :-)
> >
> > It would help if you actually read MY posts. I did include quotes from
> > scripture. But why should I do that for you, when you know it already?
> > You said you quoted scripture here. Please show me where it is in this
> > post. I seems to have missed it.
> >
> >> God's will is for you not to be called by Him. Pray earnestly for a
> >> plea to God. I forgive you of your evil nature and evil intent to
> >> flame me and discredit my wisdom.
> >
> > It is arrogant and presumptuous of you, and actually blasphemous, for
> > you to determine what God has planned for me, or for anyone else.
> > You assume you have wisdom. Does anyone here agree with you?
> > A truly wise person listens to others, and learns from them, and does
> > not call someone "You black fool", for passing on the well respected
> > knowledge of others. I have never claimed to be wise. You would be at
> > least a little wise, to not claim that yourself.
> >
> >> Jesus Christ will see you in judgment and you will have to give an
> >> account of all this. I suggest you keep quiet and learn from the wise
> >> you selfish prognosticator who remains in sorcery.
> >
> > What are you saying about my remains?
> >
> > I have learned from the very wise. That's what my degrees mean. What
> > about you?
> >
> >> t Michael t
> >>
> >
> > Would I see Jesus if I were Jewish? Hindu? Buddhist? Would I need
> > classes?
> >
> > Predicting the future, is expressly forbidden in the Bible. I suggest
> > you avoid doing that, especially where people are concerned.
> >
> > If you want to do some research on the differences in Bible
> > translations, go here.
> > They don't do anything with the original languages, and they got some
> > things wrong, but it is still somewhat useful for your educational
> > research.
> > http://www.BibleGateway.com/
> > For a start, search on "three times". :-)
> >
> >
> > Y Not
> >
> >
> > "Knowledge is good."
> >
>
> Well the defacement of everything Akenaten stood for served only one
> purpose, and that was to keep it for posterity. As for Tutenkhamen (some
> american used the word TUT during the world exhibition of the artifacts
> from the tomb, typically showing no respect but to bastardise a revered
> name) what is beauty? I have a pathological build up of his face, and he
> sure was not a raver. Nor has it ever been proved that he was the son of
> Akenhaten. Incidentally, changing the subject. It is well "hieroglyphed"
> or should I say documented, that the Ancient Egyptians were in many ways
> bisexual. their love of bisexuality was shown in their attitude that it
> was ok to make love to man, woman, boy or girl. Up to the age of puberty
> all boys and girls went around naked apart from in the case of girls a
> leather necklace, and in the case of boys a sililar thing around the
> waist. Can you imagine if digital cameras had been available then. PM.
Our current style of sexual categorization is of relatively modern ah,
arousal? :-)
All ancient peoples were bisexual to some degree or another. In some
societies, this started to change at around 500 C.E. ("Common Era", for
people who oppose the use of "AD") Homosexuality was always officially
condemned by the Hebrews, but was often practiced by the wealthy. If
you read between the lines, you will see that David didn't just sing
for Saul. By current standards, it would have been statutory rape. It
was Muhammad who first firmly codified the prohibition against
homosexuality it into real law, for Islamic societies, which was the
start of the categorization of sexualities. Even then, and up until
current times, some societies still hold to the belief that it is the
receiver of male/male penetration who is unmanly and "gay", and the
penetrator it still being manly, and not necessarily "gay", for doing
it. By the way, NO boy was safe in the Ottoman Empire.
So as you see, sexual categorization is still a victim of
rationalization. :-)
Well, isn't everything? :-/
Most ancient peoples worshipped fertility. In male dominated societies,
they worshipped the Phallus. Amusingly, this made the study of the
ancients a significantly awkward for Victorian archeologists and
historians. Many are the sculptures and other images of people, that
have had the protruding parts of personal anatomy ah, painfully
removed.
Interestingly, this also happened relatively recently, with the frozen
corpsicle that was found in the Alps. When found, it was reported that
he was ah, complete, yet when he was made ready for transport off the
mountain, his genitals were mysteriously absent, never to be seen
again.
According to current knowledge, Tutenkhamen would have probably looked
quite ugly at the time of his very painful death. He probably wasn't
all that bad looking when he was healthy. I prefer to remember him from
his burial masks, thank you. :-)
Enough gold will make anything beautiful. ;-)
Take care,
Y Not
"If love makes the world go round,
why isn't everyone dizzy?"
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