On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 04:39:02 -0500, "::Y-Not::" <+10$-Y-Not@here.com>
wrote:
>In article <s6bkf.248023$dZ.61328@fe02.news.easynews.com>, PM
><@cannon.bang> wrote:
>
>> "::Y-Not::" <+10$-Y-Not@here.com> wrote in news:021220052005488903%+10$-
>> Y-Not@here.com:
>>
>> > In article <qfc0p19tdrf0aadve5mv52g11puil0v962@4ax.com>,
>> > <MichaellikeGod@heaven> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 01:50:51 -0600, Bellamy <dot@dot.cum> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> LOL...indirectly to your lost and hopeless soul.
>> >>
>> >> I pray you enjoy God's curse He brings upon you!
>> >>
>> >> God Bless
>> >>
>> >> t Michael t
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Let us see here:
>> > You say God will curse him? And then you tell God to bless him?
>> > But before that, you pray he should ENJOY God's curse?
>> >
>> > Before you should preach to some "lost and hopeless soul", you really
>> > should work on your own lost, hopeless, and very confused soul.
>> >
>> >
>> > In my previous last post to you, I tried to lead you to understand
>> > something. You dismissed me before we finished. We continue now,
>> > because you REALLY need help.
>> >
>> > The Bible as we know it today, was written by many people, mostly from
>> > what other people told them, and then only certain parts of the
>> > available holy texts were voted to be included in it, based mostly on
>> > the political climate of the time. EDITORS! :-/
>> > And THEN, we have translations, which were also influenced by the
>> > political climate of the times, and sometimes even intentionally.
>> > Example; in the King James version, Exodus 22:17-19, it says "Thou
>> > shalt not suffer a witch to live." Translated from the original Hebrew,
>> > into idiomatic American English, that would be (my emphasis) "Execute
>> > all POISONERS". In the King Games translation, the translator was
>> > ordered to change the word, because Witches ("Wise Women, or Wiccans)
>> > practiced effective herbal medicine and euthanasia, all of which were
>> > against the doctrine of the Church at the time, that people should NOT
>> > have their God willed suffering be ameliorated, and was deliberately
>> > intended to justify persecution of Pagans.
>> > Even with honest translation, what results is imperfect, because it is
>> > done by imperfect man, with his own culture, biases and knowledge
>> > acting to influence what he does. But there is more. To most
>> > effectively translate from one language to another, one must understand
>> > the culture of the person who created the original story.
>> > Example:
>> > On more than one Gospel It is said
>> > ***
>> >> Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto
>> >> you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the
>> >> kingdom of heaven.
>> >> And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to
>> >> go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to
>> >> enter into the kingdom of God.
>> > ***
>> > In reality, at the time, this was a common saying to illustrate the
>> > impossible. "The Eye of the Needle" was the nickname of a very small
>> > gate into Jerusalem, that a camel could squeeze through, but not with a
>> > rich man's belongings strapped to it.
>> > So, the saying went, "it's as possible as a rich man's camel passing
>> > through the Eye of the Needle".
>> > Because of this, it's quite likely that the passage in the Bible was
>> > actually CREATED to give relevance to a figure of speech that the
>> > writer didn't understand.
>> > Another example:
>> > Many times the Bible refers to something happening THREE TIMES, from
>> > donkey things, to Peter disowning Jesus.
>> > This is actually amusing, because the writers actually CREATED stories
>> > around another figure of speech. Yes, that's what it was. It was used
>> > for emphasis, and NOT meant to be taken literally. "You will do this
>> > three times" actually means, "You bet your a** you will!" Jesus said
>> > this figure of speech to Peter, not to be taken literally, but to add
>> > emphasis to his statement. But the Gospel writers, in not understanding
>> > this, CREATED scenes to make it literally true!
>> > There are many more things in the Bible like this.
>> >
>> > So, is the Bible the exact word of God, or fallible imperfect man's
>> > interpretation of history?
>> >
>> > There is one more thing to add to this.
>> > The various parts of the Bible were written in different languages,
>> > none of them being modern languages we now use. They were ancient
>> > Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, Latin, and probably a few others. At the time
>> > of it's finalization, the Bible was written in Greek, as that was the
>> > language of higher education then. The various parts have been
>> > translated into other languages, and then translated again, and each
>> > translator has produced different results, that get added to by the
>> > next. There is a reason for this. Those who study Human languages, know
>> > they are different. So different in fact, that perfect translation from
>> > one language to another is impossible. The reasons for this are very
>> > difficult to explain to someone who hasn't studied this, but they are
>> > very real.
>> > Given all this, it's just not possible that the various versions and
>> > translations of the Bible, WHICH ARE NOT THE SAME, can all be the exact
>> > word of God. We will never have it, from what we know exists at this
>> > time. What we do have, is a Great Book, with all kinds of wonderfully
>> > useful teachings in it, and a historical record which is as accurate
>> > and inaccurate as any other historical record.
>> >
>> > Monotheism is against human nature. Worshiping a deity one can't see,
>> > is even more against human nature. Man usually finds a way to act in
>> > accordance with his nature, even if he has to lie to himself, in order
>> > to do it. So we can't see God, but we NEED to worship something
>> > physical, so we choose a torture device to worship, or graven images of
>> > people, such as Mary, to worship, or rotting body parts of "Saints" and
>> > other artifacts, or Russian paintings. And we also choose a BOOK to
>> > worship. Is it truly God's creation? In a way it is, in the sense that
>> > all reality is God's creation. So why do we worship only that book that
>> > is written by man, as His Word, when we can see His Words in EVERYTHING
>> > he has directly created? Look all around you, to see God for real. The
>> > Book isn't him, EVERYTHING but what is created by humans with the free
>> > will he gave us, IS Him.
>> >
>> > It really IS a Good Book, but it's not perfect. But then, neither are
>> > we. He made us that way. :-)
>> >
>> > Do I expect you to agree with any of this? Not really, at this time.
>> > But anything's possible, right? :-)
>> >
>> >
>> > Take care,
>> >
>> >
>> > Y Not
>> >
>> >
>> > "Opening the mind can open the heart.
>> > Opening the heart can open the mind."
>> >
>>
>> Go get him Y-Not. Unfortunately the fault of all this is my beloved
>> Akenhaten (meaning) "THE GLORY OF ATEN" or "HE WHO IS EFFECTIVE ON THE
>> ATENs BEHALF". who delcared that there should be only one god. Nothing
>> has gone right since then to this very day.LOL, and the hypocracy
>> continues unabated. PM.
>
>
>Sorry PM, he has blinded himself. The only light he sees is his own.
>He says the Bible is the True Word of God, but he neglects to tell us
>which of the many DIFFERENT translations is the "real" one.
>Anyway, NO English translation can be the real one, because it isn't
>even a direct translation
>He is unable to understand academic discourse. When I related to him
>the common saying that was in place in the culture that was described
>in the Bible, he accused me of misquoting the Bible, even though I had
>actually included the actual quote with it. Or maybe he just doesn't
>know how to read.
>He doesn't understand the concept of language. I told him that the
>original Hebrew word means "poisoner", and that it has been
>deliberately mistranslated. This can be verified by any Hebrew scholar,
>and is well known by most academic Bible scholars. I'm not guessing in
>this. When I was a child, I was forced to learn to read various
>versions of the Bible, and other Holy books, in many of their original
>languages; Greek, Latin and Hebrew. I couldn't manage Arabic and
>Sanskrit, although the latter did help me a little with the Thai
>language. I was never able to understand those language spoken, and
>could never speak them myself, and I've forgotten most of all of that.
>Well, I wasn't really interested. I'm still not, actually. :-)
>I have NO talent for languages!
>
>Religious devotion can be a good thing, when it's based on open
>thought, and due deliberation. In his case, his NEED he acquired for
>him to commit to his current fanatical state, was caused by some
>severely damaging past experiences. Instead of healing and recovering
>from them, he submerged them with a form of internal mind control. It
>could have been anything, but in this case, it was his personal version
>of Christianity, that he has made into his amour against the perceived
>blackness of his soul. He has traded one mental prison for another. It
>is also his crutch, which prevents his mind and soul from healing.
>Faith isn't logical, and the use of it can't penetrate the
>rationalizations of the fanatic. They will literally NOT see what would
>shake their faith, as we can see by his responses to my posts, which
>would have drawn good reviews from true Bible scholars of many faiths,
>and ah, sort of has. :-)
>
>You know I'm well aware of Akenhaten and what he did. And also what
>those who came after him did to his memory and what he had established.
>They tried to remove him completely from history, and almost succeeded.
>And boy did he look FUNNY! As was Tut uncommon ly beautiful. :-)
>
>
>Take care,
>
>
>Y Not
>
>
> "Opening the mind can open the heart.
> Opening the heart can open the mind."
Do you say what you mean?
Do you mean what you say?
Answer both questions using them in the proper context!
This is a test to know if you understand the proper english language.
If you don't understand the context to the two questions above,
consult a good english dictionary.
t Michael t
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