On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 04:39:02 -0500, "::Y-Not::" <+10$-Y-Not@here.com>
wrote:
>In article <s6bkf.248023$dZ.61328@fe02.news.easynews.com>, PM
><@cannon.bang> wrote:
>
>> "::Y-Not::" <+10$-Y-Not@here.com> wrote in news:021220052005488903%+10$-
>> Y-Not@here.com:
>>
>> > In article <qfc0p19tdrf0aadve5mv52g11puil0v962@4ax.com>,
>> > <MichaellikeGod@heaven> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 01:50:51 -0600, Bellamy <dot@dot.cum> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> LOL...indirectly to your lost and hopeless soul.
>> >>
>> >> I pray you enjoy God's curse He brings upon you!
>> >>
>> >> God Bless
>> >>
>> >> t Michael t
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Let us see here:
>> > You say God will curse him? And then you tell God to bless him?
>> > But before that, you pray he should ENJOY God's curse?
>> >
>> > Before you should preach to some "lost and hopeless soul", you really
>> > should work on your own lost, hopeless, and very confused soul.
>> >
>> >
>> > In my previous last post to you, I tried to lead you to understand
>> > something. You dismissed me before we finished. We continue now,
>> > because you REALLY need help.
>> >
>> > The Bible as we know it today, was written by many people, mostly from
>> > what other people told them, and then only certain parts of the
>> > available holy texts were voted to be included in it, based mostly on
>> > the political climate of the time. EDITORS! :-/
>> > And THEN, we have translations, which were also influenced by the
>> > political climate of the times, and sometimes even intentionally.
>> > Example; in the King James version, Exodus 22:17-19, it says "Thou
>> > shalt not suffer a witch to live." Translated from the original Hebrew,
>> > into idiomatic American English, that would be (my emphasis) "Execute
>> > all POISONERS". In the King Games translation, the translator was
>> > ordered to change the word, because Witches ("Wise Women, or Wiccans)
>> > practiced effective herbal medicine and euthanasia, all of which were
>> > against the doctrine of the Church at the time, that people should NOT
>> > have their God willed suffering be ameliorated, and was deliberately
>> > intended to justify persecution of Pagans.
>> > Even with honest translation, what results is imperfect, because it is
>> > done by imperfect man, with his own culture, biases and knowledge
>> > acting to influence what he does. But there is more. To most
>> > effectively translate from one language to another, one must understand
>> > the culture of the person who created the original story.
>> > Example:
>> > On more than one Gospel It is said
>> > ***
>> >> Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto
>> >> you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the
>> >> kingdom of heaven.
>> >> And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to
>> >> go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to
>> >> enter into the kingdom of God.
>> > ***
>> > In reality, at the time, this was a common saying to illustrate the
>> > impossible. "The Eye of the Needle" was the nickname of a very small
>> > gate into Jerusalem, that a camel could squeeze through, but not with a
>> > rich man's belongings strapped to it.
>> > So, the saying went, "it's as possible as a rich man's camel passing
>> > through the Eye of the Needle".
>> > Because of this, it's quite likely that the passage in the Bible was
>> > actually CREATED to give relevance to a figure of speech that the
>> > writer didn't understand.
>> > Another example:
>> > Many times the Bible refers to something happening THREE TIMES, from
>> > donkey things, to Peter disowning Jesus.
>> > This is actually amusing, because the writers actually CREATED stories
>> > around another figure of speech. Yes, that's what it was. It was used
>> > for emphasis, and NOT meant to be taken literally. "You will do this
>> > three times" actually means, "You bet your a** you will!" Jesus said
>> > this figure of speech to Peter, not to be taken literally, but to add
>> > emphasis to his statement. But the Gospel writers, in not understanding
>> > this, CREATED scenes to make it literally true!
>> > There are many more things in the Bible like this.
>> >
>> > So, is the Bible the exact word of God, or fallible imperfect man's
>> > interpretation of history?
>> >
>> > There is one more thing to add to this.
>> > The various parts of the Bible were written in different languages,
>> > none of them being modern languages we now use. They were ancient
>> > Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, Latin, and probably a few others. At the time
>> > of it's finalization, the Bible was written in Greek, as that was the
>> > language of higher education then. The various parts have been
>> > translated into other languages, and then translated again, and each
>> > translator has produced different results, that get added to by the
>> > next. There is a reason for this. Those who study Human languages, know
>> > they are different. So different in fact, that perfect translation from
>> > one language to another is impossible. The reasons for this are very
>> > difficult to explain to someone who hasn't studied this, but they are
>> > very real.
>> > Given all this, it's just not possible that the various versions and
>> > translations of the Bible, WHICH ARE NOT THE SAME, can all be the exact
>> > word of God. We will never have it, from what we know exists at this
>> > time. What we do have, is a Great Book, with all kinds of wonderfully
>> > useful teachings in it, and a historical record which is as accurate
>> > and inaccurate as any other historical record.
>> >
>> > Monotheism is against human nature. Worshiping a deity one can't see,
>> > is even more against human nature. Man usually finds a way to act in
>> > accordance with his nature, even if he has to lie to himself, in order
>> > to do it. So we can't see God, but we NEED to worship something
>> > physical, so we choose a torture device to worship, or graven images of
>> > people, such as Mary, to worship, or rotting body parts of "Saints" and
>> > other artifacts, or Russian paintings. And we also choose a BOOK to
>> > worship. Is it truly God's creation? In a way it is, in the sense that
>> > all reality is God's creation. So why do we worship only that book that
>> > is written by man, as His Word, when we can see His Words in EVERYTHING
>> > he has directly created? Look all around you, to see God for real. The
>> > Book isn't him, EVERYTHING but what is created by humans with the free
>> > will he gave us, IS Him.
>> >
>> > It really IS a Good Book, but it's not perfect. But then, neither are
>> > we. He made us that way. :-)
>> >
>> > Do I expect you to agree with any of this? Not really, at this time.
>> > But anything's possible, right? :-)
>> >
>> >
>> > Take care,
>> >
>> >
>> > Y Not
>> >
>> >
>> > "Opening the mind can open the heart.
>> > Opening the heart can open the mind."
>> >
>>
>> Go get him Y-Not. Unfortunately the fault of all this is my beloved
>> Akenhaten (meaning) "THE GLORY OF ATEN" or "HE WHO IS EFFECTIVE ON THE
>> ATENs BEHALF". who delcared that there should be only one god. Nothing
>> has gone right since then to this very day.LOL, and the hypocracy
>> continues unabated. PM.
>
>
>Sorry PM, he has blinded himself. The only light he sees is his own.
>He says the Bible is the True Word of God, but he neglects to tell us
>which of the many DIFFERENT translations is the "real" one.
>Anyway, NO English translation can be the real one, because it isn't
>even a direct translation
>He is unable to understand academic discourse. When I related to him
>the common saying that was in place in the culture that was described
>in the Bible, he accused me of misquoting the Bible, even though I had
>actually included the actual quote with it. Or maybe he just doesn't
>know how to read.
>He doesn't understand the concept of language. I told him that the
>original Hebrew word means "poisoner", and that it has been
>deliberately mistranslated. This can be verified by any Hebrew scholar,
>and is well known by most academic Bible scholars. I'm not guessing in
>this. When I was a child, I was forced to learn to read various
>versions of the Bible, and other Holy books, in many of their original
>languages; Greek, Latin and Hebrew. I couldn't manage Arabic and
>Sanskrit, although the latter did help me a little with the Thai
>language. I was never able to understand those language spoken, and
>could never speak them myself, and I've forgotten most of all of that.
>Well, I wasn't really interested. I'm still not, actually. :-)
>I have NO talent for languages!
>
>Religious devotion can be a good thing, when it's based on open
>thought, and due deliberation. In his case, his NEED he acquired for
>him to commit to his current fanatical state, was caused by some
>severely damaging past experiences. Instead of healing and recovering
>from them, he submerged them with a form of internal mind control. It
>could have been anything, but in this case, it was his personal version
>of Christianity, that he has made into his amour against the perceived
>blackness of his soul. He has traded one mental prison for another. It
>is also his crutch, which prevents his mind and soul from healing.
>Faith isn't logical, and the use of it can't penetrate the
>rationalizations of the fanatic. They will literally NOT see what would
>shake their faith, as we can see by his responses to my posts, which
>would have drawn good reviews from true Bible scholars of many faiths,
>and ah, sort of has. :-)
>
>You know I'm well aware of Akenhaten and what he did. And also what
>those who came after him did to his memory and what he had established.
>They tried to remove him completely from history, and almost succeeded.
>And boy did he look FUNNY! As was Tut uncommon ly beautiful. :-)
>
>
>Take care,
>
>
>Y Not
>
>
> "Opening the mind can open the heart.
> Opening the heart can open the mind."
Obviously you cannot back up your claims with Scripture. You know
neither me nor the one true God of heaven and earth.
You black fool, why should I waste time on your demonic intentions?
You are full of impure knowledge which sends you into the black abyss.
God rids you of any holy intent. As Jesus Christ, the judge, stands
before the accused, you, you will see your destiny is the abyss of
Sheol.
Do not for one intention to portray what your evil heart desires to
distort in the truth of God. For God knows the heart as well as the
mind. You keep to your own fallen destiny and I will keep to my
promised salvation with God through Jesus Christ.
Have you ever prayed to God and asked Him if you would receive
salvation? Probably not. I have prayed six times to God whether I
would receive eternal life and God answered all six prayers with a
resounding "Yes."
You are blind to the word of God and therefore are blind and only see
black. That is why you call me black and distorted. That is because
you only see your distorted self and cannot get off of yourself to see
the light. What God has blinded will remain blinded. I suggest you
pray to God to heal you of your blindness and bring you into the light
so that you might have a change of heart.
Otherwise, quit wasting my time with your nonsense chatter. I back
this entire message up with pure scripture and you have never once
quoted any hebrew, greek, or latin scripture references to back up
your claims or disprove me. I have a greek and hebrew dictionary of
which I do not need to dive into. It is plain in scripture all I say
and do for the will of God.
God's will is for you not to be called by Him. Pray earnestly for a
plea to God. I forgive you of your evil nature and evil intent to
flame me and discredit my wisdom.
Jesus Christ will see you in judgment and you will have to give an
account of all this. I suggest you keep quiet and learn from the wise
you selfish prognosticator who remains in sorcery.
t Michael t
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