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From: Pope Frogbutt I <frog@buh.shit.org>
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Subject: Re: FAQ for THIS group only
Date: 27 Apr 2005 17:12:52 GMT
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"::Y-Not::" <$9+-Y-Not@here.com> wrote in
news:270420050356433730%$9+-Y-Not@here.com:
> In article <d4mv7s$h0f$1@wilhelp.databasix.com>, Steve Leyland
> <steveREMOVEDOTINVALIDTOREPLY@meow.org.invalid> wrote:
>
>> ::Y-Not:: wrote:
>> : In article <1114556951.8a0947e1ce324b800436b9fd243422da@teranews>,
>> : FairPlayforAll <talkit@over.org> wrote:
>> :
>> :: In article <vu6t61h1eqso0gll5r52t1u66o5hs8p44o@4ax.com>, jade@net-
>> :: kooks.org wrote...
>> ::
>> :: Hey guys, the group wasn't even being used until Rolex came along.
>> :: You really ought to speak to Y-Not about this. Didn't he make a
>> :: deal and a truce with you guys the last time there was some
>> :: trouble? I think if you maybe talked things over with Y-Not we
>> :: could come to some arrangement and then just go our separate
>> :: peaceful ways. He knows quite a few important people who could
>> :: definitely back him up if push came to shove. I'm sure none of you
>> :: good folks wants to get in trouble with your ISP, right?
>> ::
>> :: --
>> :: FairPlayForAll
>> :
>> : Top posting can be SO Kornfusing.
>>
>> wow, for once I actually agree with a pedo.
>
> Thank you for your intelligent response. It deserves a useful reply.
>
> Not all people who post in "pedo" groups are "pedos". Well YOU are
> posting here, right? Please withhold your personal judgment, until you
> have more information.
>
>> : What I did before, with others, isn't in effect now. It never was,
>> : for THIS group. BLs were supposed to not post here, according to
>> : the agreement. I said this when Rolex started to post here.
>>
>> BL = pedophile, stop attempting to disguise your sickness.
>
> I'm a psychologist. Please leave the diagnosis to the professionals.
You are not, you faker. You're a fucking retard who has claimed more
than once to have helped invent usenet, yet you know nothing at all about
it.
>
>> : Some of the names I recognize, but their personalities have changed
>> : a little. There is still some amusement in them, though.
>>
>> so did george really kill himself last time after what I said?
>> I bet all the local parents of young boys in his area felt much safer
>> if he did.
>
> No, he returned to posting, with a different name. He's threatened to
> kill himself four times that I know of. He hasn't tried to actually do
> it. That is, if we are talking about the same George.
Too fucking bad. You should all kill yourselves.
>
>> : So they told the authorities about this group? Did they think LEA
>> : are STUPID? Of course LEA already knew about this newsgroup, and
>> : about all the others, and they DON'T appreciate frightened ninnies
>> : bothering them about it. Do you think our new visitors have ever
>> : wondered why this kind of thing has been allowed to continue all
>> : these years? LEA *WANTS* EVIDENCE to be posted!
>>
>> I and many others reported your little boy admiration pedo society 4
>> years ago to the law, so yes, they are certainly watching.
>
> I've been monitoring these newsgroups for a little longer than that. I
> was asked to do it by some people who had received some reports of
> children posting porn. You weren't the first to do the reporting.
> Sorry to take away your credit. :-)
>
>> : When they do catch a molester, they
>> : want the him to have downloaded evidence on his computer. They
>> : don't take kindly to "people" who want to interfere with that.
>>
>> then go away to a properly labelled group instead of trying to hide
>> in an alt.fan group which was created for meowers.
>> if decent usenet browsers can see a clear label that there is child
>> porn in a group from its title, they will not go there.
>
> This is what I advised, and in the other group as well. As you see, it
> didn't happen. Some people have to learn the hard way. In this regard,
> are you any different? :-)
>
>> : Of course,
>> : BLs have to protect themselves with whatever security measures they
>> : can take (I help with that), so the result is that mostly it's real
>> : child abusers who actually get caught, by what they do outside of
>> : Usenet. We even help the LEA find and catch people who are actively
>> : harming children. LEA and BLs are satisfied with this compromise.
>>
>> BL = Boy Lover = pedophile.
>> do you really think the children in the images you post have not been
>> abused during the taking of those?
>
> Right. Some weren't, but some were. Unfortunately, what is done, is
> already done. If their past suffering can help keep other children
> safer, then I think it should. I know it's not the best solution, but
> sometimes compromises have to be made, for the greater good.
>
>> : There is another reason why this system is allowed to exist. No
>> : matter what some "people" might want, BLs aren't going to kill
>> : themselves. They exist. It's estimated that the average molester,
>> : molests over 50 children before he's caught. How do we keep them
>> : away from children? If they are fed enough porn, so they are so
>> : sexually expended from masturbating to it, that they don't go out
>> : and find new victims, children are going to be much safer. People
>> : who care about children, want to do whatever is PRACTICAL, to
>> : protect them from abuse.
>>
>> so your lame argument is that pedos masturbating to images of abused
>> children will somehow stop children being abused IRL?
>> I'd strongly argue to the contrary that such images would encourage
>> such behaviour.
>
> So it is in popular fiction. Ever watch that Law and Order Special
> Victims TV show? Do you think it's actually real?
> There is absolutely no evidence at all that, in adults, viewing
> pornography of any kind causes people to commit any crimes.
> Believe me, we WANT that to be a cause. It would be wonderful to be
> able to isolate a cause for this behavior, that we could control, but
> in actual fact, that all the research shows, it's actually the
> opposite that happens. Men who can satisfy themselves with images, are
> much less likely to harm children.
>
> We have a need to demonize people who have parts of themselves we
> dislike, to dislike all of the person, and deny they have any good
> human qualities. This isn't realistic. I use the term BL here, because
> "pedophile" isn't completely accurate for this particular population.
> Think about this. Everyone knows that harming a child is bad. VERY
> bad. But what does one do when one's sexual feelings and urges make
> them want to do that? They fight the curse. They KNOW that what they
> have urges to do, is bad. Sometimes they loose the fight to resist
> their urges, and harm a child. If they can use images to help distract
> themselves from actual children, to help them control their behavior
> they really WANT to control, I view this as a good thing, and to be
> supported, for the safety of the children. But lets not forget these
> poor souls who don't want to harm the children they are attracted to.
> They need personal help too. I try to give them that help, to test and
> increase their ability to exercise their self control, and to help
> them understand themselves. Usenet is the only place where they can
> even try to receive the psychological help they need. I do what I can
> to help them, with whatever has a realistic chance of success. Every
> BL I help to control himself, is worth at least 50 children who aren't
> going to be molested. I'm old, and not in the best health. Doing this
> work is a reason to live, so I do.
>
> I have a 17 year old BL I mentor, in real life. I collect boy Speedo
> pictures for him to use for his ah, nightly activities. These images
> are not against the law in most countries. He likes them very much,
> and so far, he has not molested anyone. I don't know what would have
> happened if he hadn't had the pictures I gave him. but from what he's
> told me, I think there would have been some molestations.
>
> Please remember, we can't "put away" people for their feelings and
> urges, but only after they commit a crime. Then it's too late for the
> victim. And then the victim gets even more damaged by the legal
> system. I would like to prevent this as much as possible.
Damn, you're full of shit today, Y-Tard.
>
>> : So what does all this mean?
>> : People who interfere with the BL groups, are actually interfering
>> : with the arrangements the LEA have made, and they WON'T be happy
>> : about that. And by causing posts to stop, they are actually hurting
>> : children. Not all BLs are child molesters. We want that to STAY
>> : that way. If BLs don't get their fix of porn, well, who wants to be
>> : responsible for what could happen? But guess who will get the heat
>> : for messing with the situation?
>>
>> then go to a clearly labelled group in alt.binaries.*
>> now you and your fellow partners in crime GET THE FUCK OUT of
>> alt.fan.aavfff.
>> do I look scared of any heat?
>
> Well, I don't know, what's your temp? :-)
> Which kind of thermometer should we use? In this group, better not
> bend over, if you look young and pretty.
> Well, I couldn't resist a little joke here. I hope it didn't upset
> anyone. It's so difficult to restrain my sense of humor. Self control?
> What's that? :-)
> Sometimes we need to lighten up a little, or in very unprofessional
> terms, go absolutely bonkers!
>
> I agree that the posters should leave. I warned them about this when
> they started posting here. I've actively supported this group, because
> of the relatively ah, inoffensive postings in it. I think it should
> continue, for people who don't want to see the hard core stuff. How
> about you give us a few days to get the move organized, and the new
> group selected? With the various time zones, and sleep and work
> schedules of the various posters, it may take a little while to do
> this. After all, you haven't used this group in years, and didn't
> notice what's been happening in it, for weeks. There doesn't seem to
> be much of a need for urgency here.
> Maybe we can do this nicely, if you all agree not to bother the new
> group, whatever it might be called.
>
>
> Take care,
>
>
Why don't you tell them to leave alt.oyp.sworp, alt.fan.fog, alt.fan.air
and the other froups you slime are in too, Y-Tard? You and your type are
not wanted in any of them.
>
>> : As for MY part in all this, well, the fact that I'm mostly disliked
>> : by BLs and Trolls alike, should speak volumes. :-)
>> :
>> : This post is not crossposted.
>> :
>> :
>> : Y Not
>> :
>> :
>> ::: On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 19:19:22 GMT, "Rolex"
>> ::: <kidrolex@hushhush.com>, wrote:
>> :::
>> :::: Welcome: to the new version of AAVFFF
>> ::::
>> :::: Before: AAVFFF = ALT ALIEN VAMPIRES FLONK FLONK FLONK
>> :::: After: AAVFFF = AN ARTISTIC VISION FOR FAERIE FOLLOWERS
>> :::
>> ::: Wrong, kiddie diddler.
>> :::
>> ::::
>> :::: Please follow the new set of FAQ:
>> ::::
>> :::: This is a boylover (BL) group only. If you DO NOT like this idea
>> :::: then GET OUT. And go play somewhere else
>> :::
>> ::: Piss off, pedo.
>> :::
>> :::: No crossposting
>> :::
>> ::: Ooops. I accidentally crossposted. Sorry, 'boy lover'.
>> :::
>> :::: Please everyone: No fighting, arguing or bickering here, Bitch
>> :::: elsewhere
>> :::
>> ::: But here is where you scumbags hang out posting kiddie porn.
>> :::
>> :::: Try not to flood the group with your favorites. Limit the
>> :::: amount of posts to 30 max. Let the little guy post his.
>> :::: This gives a variety in the group for all to see and capture
>> :::: what he likes
>> ::::
>> ::::
>> :::: Please do post: Photos from the past. Art paintings.
>> :::: Beachware. Single poses favorable,
>> :::: Artistic nudity. Fantasy and
>> :::: dragon images, sport cars, foreign scenic views
>> ::::
>> :::
>> ::: I see you're adding non-pedo related suggestions to try and hide
>> ::: what you do here.
>> :::
>> ::::
>> :::: Please do not post: Anal or oral sex. Groups of bystanders
>> :::: such as street or beach scenes.
>> :::: No adults with young ones.
>> :::: Heavy
>> :::: sexual content
>> :::: No videos (there are other
>> :::: groups
>> :::: available)
>> :::
>> ::: ie - things you'd get arrested for.
>> :::
>> ::::
>> ::::
>> :::: Your cooperation is appreciated in following a very simple set
>> :::: of rules. Comments are always taken into consideration
>> ::::
>> :::: Thank you for Listening
>> :::: Rolex
>> :::
>> ::: This is an unmoderated group. It was not created for naked boy
>> ::: pics. I'll come here and do whatever I want, regardless of any
>> ::: stupid FAQ you've cobbled together to try and control it.
>> :::
>> ::: Have a nice day, tosser.
>> :::
>> ::: Jade
>
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