On 27 Apr 2005 17:12:52 GMT, Pope Frogbutt I <frog@buh.shit.org>,
wrote:
>"::Y-Not::" <$9+-Y-Not@here.com> wrote in
>news:270420050356433730%$9+-Y-Not@here.com:
>
>> In article <d4mv7s$h0f$1@wilhelp.databasix.com>, Steve Leyland
>> <steveREMOVEDOTINVALIDTOREPLY@meow.org.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> ::Y-Not:: wrote:
>>> : In article <1114556951.8a0947e1ce324b800436b9fd243422da@teranews>,
>>> : FairPlayforAll <talkit@over.org> wrote:
>>> :
>>> :: In article <vu6t61h1eqso0gll5r52t1u66o5hs8p44o@4ax.com>, jade@net-
>>> :: kooks.org wrote...
>>> ::
>>> :: Hey guys, the group wasn't even being used until Rolex came along.
>>> :: You really ought to speak to Y-Not about this. Didn't he make a
>>> :: deal and a truce with you guys the last time there was some
>>> :: trouble? I think if you maybe talked things over with Y-Not we
>>> :: could come to some arrangement and then just go our separate
>>> :: peaceful ways. He knows quite a few important people who could
>>> :: definitely back him up if push came to shove. I'm sure none of you
>>> :: good folks wants to get in trouble with your ISP, right?
>>> ::
>>> :: --
>>> :: FairPlayForAll
>>> :
>>> : Top posting can be SO Kornfusing.
>>>
>>> wow, for once I actually agree with a pedo.
>>
>> Thank you for your intelligent response. It deserves a useful reply.
>>
>> Not all people who post in "pedo" groups are "pedos". Well YOU are
>> posting here, right? Please withhold your personal judgment, until you
>> have more information.
>>
>>> : What I did before, with others, isn't in effect now. It never was,
>>> : for THIS group. BLs were supposed to not post here, according to
>>> : the agreement. I said this when Rolex started to post here.
>>>
>>> BL = pedophile, stop attempting to disguise your sickness.
>>
>> I'm a psychologist. Please leave the diagnosis to the professionals.
>
>You are not, you faker. You're a fucking retard who has claimed more
>than once to have helped invent usenet, yet you know nothing at all about
>it.
>
>>
>>> : Some of the names I recognize, but their personalities have changed
>>> : a little. There is still some amusement in them, though.
>>>
>>> so did george really kill himself last time after what I said?
>>> I bet all the local parents of young boys in his area felt much safer
>>> if he did.
>>
>> No, he returned to posting, with a different name. He's threatened to
>> kill himself four times that I know of. He hasn't tried to actually do
>> it. That is, if we are talking about the same George.
>
>Too fucking bad. You should all kill yourselves.
>
>>
>>> : So they told the authorities about this group? Did they think LEA
>>> : are STUPID? Of course LEA already knew about this newsgroup, and
>>> : about all the others, and they DON'T appreciate frightened ninnies
>>> : bothering them about it. Do you think our new visitors have ever
>>> : wondered why this kind of thing has been allowed to continue all
>>> : these years? LEA *WANTS* EVIDENCE to be posted!
>>>
>>> I and many others reported your little boy admiration pedo society 4
>>> years ago to the law, so yes, they are certainly watching.
>>
>> I've been monitoring these newsgroups for a little longer than that. I
>> was asked to do it by some people who had received some reports of
>> children posting porn. You weren't the first to do the reporting.
>> Sorry to take away your credit. :-)
>>
>>> : When they do catch a molester, they
>>> : want the him to have downloaded evidence on his computer. They
>>> : don't take kindly to "people" who want to interfere with that.
>>>
>>> then go away to a properly labelled group instead of trying to hide
>>> in an alt.fan group which was created for meowers.
>>> if decent usenet browsers can see a clear label that there is child
>>> porn in a group from its title, they will not go there.
>>
>> This is what I advised, and in the other group as well. As you see, it
>> didn't happen. Some people have to learn the hard way. In this regard,
>> are you any different? :-)
>>
>>> : Of course,
>>> : BLs have to protect themselves with whatever security measures they
>>> : can take (I help with that), so the result is that mostly it's real
>>> : child abusers who actually get caught, by what they do outside of
>>> : Usenet. We even help the LEA find and catch people who are actively
>>> : harming children. LEA and BLs are satisfied with this compromise.
>>>
>>> BL = Boy Lover = pedophile.
>>> do you really think the children in the images you post have not been
>>> abused during the taking of those?
>>
>> Right. Some weren't, but some were. Unfortunately, what is done, is
>> already done. If their past suffering can help keep other children
>> safer, then I think it should. I know it's not the best solution, but
>> sometimes compromises have to be made, for the greater good.
>>
>>> : There is another reason why this system is allowed to exist. No
>>> : matter what some "people" might want, BLs aren't going to kill
>>> : themselves. They exist. It's estimated that the average molester,
>>> : molests over 50 children before he's caught. How do we keep them
>>> : away from children? If they are fed enough porn, so they are so
>>> : sexually expended from masturbating to it, that they don't go out
>>> : and find new victims, children are going to be much safer. People
>>> : who care about children, want to do whatever is PRACTICAL, to
>>> : protect them from abuse.
>>>
>>> so your lame argument is that pedos masturbating to images of abused
>>> children will somehow stop children being abused IRL?
>>> I'd strongly argue to the contrary that such images would encourage
>>> such behaviour.
>>
>> So it is in popular fiction. Ever watch that Law and Order Special
>> Victims TV show? Do you think it's actually real?
>> There is absolutely no evidence at all that, in adults, viewing
>> pornography of any kind causes people to commit any crimes.
>> Believe me, we WANT that to be a cause. It would be wonderful to be
>> able to isolate a cause for this behavior, that we could control, but
>> in actual fact, that all the research shows, it's actually the
>> opposite that happens. Men who can satisfy themselves with images, are
>> much less likely to harm children.
>>
>> We have a need to demonize people who have parts of themselves we
>> dislike, to dislike all of the person, and deny they have any good
>> human qualities. This isn't realistic. I use the term BL here, because
>> "pedophile" isn't completely accurate for this particular population.
>> Think about this. Everyone knows that harming a child is bad. VERY
>> bad. But what does one do when one's sexual feelings and urges make
>> them want to do that? They fight the curse. They KNOW that what they
>> have urges to do, is bad. Sometimes they loose the fight to resist
>> their urges, and harm a child. If they can use images to help distract
>> themselves from actual children, to help them control their behavior
>> they really WANT to control, I view this as a good thing, and to be
>> supported, for the safety of the children. But lets not forget these
>> poor souls who don't want to harm the children they are attracted to.
>> They need personal help too. I try to give them that help, to test and
>> increase their ability to exercise their self control, and to help
>> them understand themselves. Usenet is the only place where they can
>> even try to receive the psychological help they need. I do what I can
>> to help them, with whatever has a realistic chance of success. Every
>> BL I help to control himself, is worth at least 50 children who aren't
>> going to be molested. I'm old, and not in the best health. Doing this
>> work is a reason to live, so I do.
>>
>> I have a 17 year old BL I mentor, in real life. I collect boy Speedo
>> pictures for him to use for his ah, nightly activities. These images
>> are not against the law in most countries. He likes them very much,
>> and so far, he has not molested anyone. I don't know what would have
>> happened if he hadn't had the pictures I gave him. but from what he's
>> told me, I think there would have been some molestations.
>>
>> Please remember, we can't "put away" people for their feelings and
>> urges, but only after they commit a crime. Then it's too late for the
>> victim. And then the victim gets even more damaged by the legal
>> system. I would like to prevent this as much as possible.
>
>Damn, you're full of shit today, Y-Tard.
>
>>
>>> : So what does all this mean?
>>> : People who interfere with the BL groups, are actually interfering
>>> : with the arrangements the LEA have made, and they WON'T be happy
>>> : about that. And by causing posts to stop, they are actually hurting
>>> : children. Not all BLs are child molesters. We want that to STAY
>>> : that way. If BLs don't get their fix of porn, well, who wants to be
>>> : responsible for what could happen? But guess who will get the heat
>>> : for messing with the situation?
>>>
>>> then go to a clearly labelled group in alt.binaries.*
>>> now you and your fellow partners in crime GET THE FUCK OUT of
>>> alt.fan.aavfff.
>>> do I look scared of any heat?
>>
>> Well, I don't know, what's your temp? :-)
>> Which kind of thermometer should we use? In this group, better not
>> bend over, if you look young and pretty.
>> Well, I couldn't resist a little joke here. I hope it didn't upset
>> anyone. It's so difficult to restrain my sense of humor. Self control?
>> What's that? :-)
>> Sometimes we need to lighten up a little, or in very unprofessional
>> terms, go absolutely bonkers!
>>
>> I agree that the posters should leave. I warned them about this when
>> they started posting here. I've actively supported this group, because
>> of the relatively ah, inoffensive postings in it. I think it should
>> continue, for people who don't want to see the hard core stuff. How
>> about you give us a few days to get the move organized, and the new
>> group selected? With the various time zones, and sleep and work
>> schedules of the various posters, it may take a little while to do
>> this. After all, you haven't used this group in years, and didn't
>> notice what's been happening in it, for weeks. There doesn't seem to
>> be much of a need for urgency here.
>> Maybe we can do this nicely, if you all agree not to bother the new
>> group, whatever it might be called.
>>
>>
>> Take care,
>>
>>
>
>Why don't you tell them to leave alt.oyp.sworp, alt.fan.fog, alt.fan.air
>and the other froups you slime are in too, Y-Tard? You and your type are
>not wanted in any of them.
>
They are not wanted anywhere but in jail.
Jade
>>
>>> : As for MY part in all this, well, the fact that I'm mostly disliked
>>> : by BLs and Trolls alike, should speak volumes. :-)
>>> :
>>> : This post is not crossposted.
>>> :
>>> :
>>> : Y Not
>>> :
>>> :
>>> ::: On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 19:19:22 GMT, "Rolex"
>>> ::: <kidrolex@hushhush.com>, wrote:
>>> :::
>>> :::: Welcome: to the new version of AAVFFF
>>> ::::
>>> :::: Before: AAVFFF = ALT ALIEN VAMPIRES FLONK FLONK FLONK
>>> :::: After: AAVFFF = AN ARTISTIC VISION FOR FAERIE FOLLOWERS
>>> :::
>>> ::: Wrong, kiddie diddler.
>>> :::
>>> ::::
>>> :::: Please follow the new set of FAQ:
>>> ::::
>>> :::: This is a boylover (BL) group only. If you DO NOT like this idea
>>> :::: then GET OUT. And go play somewhere else
>>> :::
>>> ::: Piss off, pedo.
>>> :::
>>> :::: No crossposting
>>> :::
>>> ::: Ooops. I accidentally crossposted. Sorry, 'boy lover'.
>>> :::
>>> :::: Please everyone: No fighting, arguing or bickering here, Bitch
>>> :::: elsewhere
>>> :::
>>> ::: But here is where you scumbags hang out posting kiddie porn.
>>> :::
>>> :::: Try not to flood the group with your favorites. Limit the
>>> :::: amount of posts to 30 max. Let the little guy post his.
>>> :::: This gives a variety in the group for all to see and capture
>>> :::: what he likes
>>> ::::
>>> ::::
>>> :::: Please do post: Photos from the past. Art paintings.
>>> :::: Beachware. Single poses favorable,
>>> :::: Artistic nudity. Fantasy and
>>> :::: dragon images, sport cars, foreign scenic views
>>> ::::
>>> :::
>>> ::: I see you're adding non-pedo related suggestions to try and hide
>>> ::: what you do here.
>>> :::
>>> ::::
>>> :::: Please do not post: Anal or oral sex. Groups of bystanders
>>> :::: such as street or beach scenes.
>>> :::: No adults with young ones.
>>> :::: Heavy
>>> :::: sexual content
>>> :::: No videos (there are other
>>> :::: groups
>>> :::: available)
>>> :::
>>> ::: ie - things you'd get arrested for.
>>> :::
>>> ::::
>>> ::::
>>> :::: Your cooperation is appreciated in following a very simple set
>>> :::: of rules. Comments are always taken into consideration
>>> ::::
>>> :::: Thank you for Listening
>>> :::: Rolex
>>> :::
>>> ::: This is an unmoderated group. It was not created for naked boy
>>> ::: pics. I'll come here and do whatever I want, regardless of any
>>> ::: stupid FAQ you've cobbled together to try and control it.
>>> :::
>>> ::: Have a nice day, tosser.
>>> :::
>>> ::: Jade
>>
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