michael@thelastchurch.borg wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 05:54:39 GMT, Your Name <Email@address.org> wrote:
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>>>Michael wrote:
>>>Who IS in a position to judge? (You are!)
>>>All of us deserve to know the truth.
>>>We all judge ourselves and there by find
>>>the truth. God does not Judge us. By free
>>>will we are to judge ourselves. God takes
>>>you faults and all in unconditional love.
>>
>>Where do you get this stuff?
>
>
> While having a heart attack I drove myself to the
> hospital 30 miles away and died on the emergency room
> table.
> I found life with out end. I was met by the spirit of Christ and
> hand in hand we went into the presents of the spirit mistakenly called
> God.
> I ask "What is my judgement?" The spirit said, " I do not
> judge you, neither do they judge you. You are to judge
> only yourself and there by find the knowledge of the
> truth. Now go back and do what you will do with out
> fear."
I do not judge you would be in the present tense, I will not judge you
would be absolute.
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>
>>There is a reason why there is only ONE
>>judgement seat.
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>
> Yes there is only one seat of judgement and that is the seat of your
> pants as each of us judge ourselves.
We judge our own actions. If only each of us judged ourselves, many
people would gain entry to heaven who probably shouldn't. How many
murderers believe they are just in that action?
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>>Only one can and wil sit in it. Jesus keeps the book of
>>life?
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> No sorry, Christ said the book of life was only a local joke and not
> that funny anyway.
Where did you get this info? If it is from the event earlier I don't
know if either one of us can prove or disprove it presently. A reference
would be helpful. Edgar Cayce referenced to the "Akashic Records" many
times, which appear to be very similar to the Book of Life. Whether or
not this is a reputable source or not is a different matter, but I do
find it interesting, none the less.
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>>For what purpose?
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> They used to keep it for laughs but everyone has read it now.
Who kept it? Where is it now? Who is everyone?
> They thought you were so funny to think only man had a soul
> and no other animals were in heaven.
Where did you get this idea from, that I thought that? Was that in the
book? The lion lying down with the lamb... I do recall that from even as
a child. But then again... see below
And that cute thing about
> thinking you were gods favorite, Ha! what a laugh that was.
> Ec 3:19,20,
> "19 Man's fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them
> both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same spirit:
> man has no advantage over the animal.
Ec 3:16-19 (KJV) And moreover I saw under the sun the place of
judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness,
that iniquity was there. I said in mine heart, God shall judge the
righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose
and for every work. I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the
sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that
they themselves are beasts. For that which befalleth the sons of men
befalleth bests; even one thing befalleth them, as the one dieth, so
dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no
preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. And Ec 3:20,21 continues
with - All goeth unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to
dust again. Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the
spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
I really have no clue as to what translation you are getting this
from... KJV, as you can see, differs very much from what you wrote. Man
and beast have a physical death in common, the spiritual death man goes
upward to be judged and the beast's goes into the earth. Why? I don't know.
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>>A hobby?
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>
> No his hobby is making universes.
Is there more than one? I don't know. How do you know?
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>
>>God does judge, always has, will
>>continue to do so for awhile I am sure.
>
>
> Well get un-sure and go read some more of the bible for it says in
> many places that God does not judge you.
1 Chronicles 16:33 Then shall the trees of the wood sing out at the
presence of the LORD, because he cometh to judge the earth.
Job 21:30 That the wicked is reserved to the day of destruction? they
shall be brought forth to the day of wrath.
Job 34:12 Yea, surely God will not do wickedly, neither will the
Almighty pervert judgment.
Psalms 9:7 But the LORD shall endure for ever: he hath prepared his
throne for judgment.
Psalms 50:3-6 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire
shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about
him. He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he
may judge his people. Gather my saints together unto me; those that have
made a covenant with me by sacrifice. And the heavens shall declare his
righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah.
Psalms 96:13 Before the LORD: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the
earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with
his truth.
Matthew 10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the
land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
Matthew 11:22 But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre
and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you.
Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall
speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Romans 3:6,7 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world? For if
the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why
yet am I also judged as a sinner?
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment
unto the Son:
This shows we were both wrong, even though I referenced to Jesus and the
judgment seat.
There are more... Do you need more??? If so, it still won't help.
> 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not
> under the law, but under grace.
Romans. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God
is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
> 5:18 ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Galations 5:18 BUT IF ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Conversely, if you are NOT led of the Spirit, you ARE under the law. In
other words, you will be judged.
> 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
> yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ephesians 2:8 I would like to point out a whole in your argument. You
said "Yes there is only one seat of judgment and that is the seat of your
pants as each of us judge ourselves." Did you actually read Ephesians
2:8 before you wrote that? It is somewhat of a contradiction.
Saved through faith... without which one cannot enter the gates of heaven.
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>>Yes, God does have unconditional
>>love, just as any parent, but when the child gets out of line, there
>>comes a time for correction.
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> No intelligent parent need use punishment as a correction. Just live
> your life in love and the child learns to correct himself. Teach a
> child only two things, unconditional love and compassion and the
> spirit will teach all the rest one on one with each person.
Your assumption is that correction = punishment. If I meant punish I
would have typed such. Correction can take many more forms. Correction
nor punishment nor anything else can undermine unconditional love, that
is self explanatory, but I included the most commonly accepted
definition below.
Children and adults both learn best with guidance. It takes more than
love, but love is very important yes. Love can take many forms, though.
Responsibility, gratitude, honor, respect. Teaching and guiding in
these and other areas is important to truly begin to understand love.
Otherwise, without having the various other things commonly viewed as
important it becomes a self love.
Luke 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with
all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and
with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself.
"No intelligent person"... I thought you were to only judge yourself and
me myself and so on?
>
> I guess you do not understand the word, "Unconditional"
Webster's New World Dictionary : without conditions or reservations,
absolute. If this is not the meaning of the word, then no, I do not
understand it.
>
> In the mind of Christ,
> Michael
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> **************************
> A preacher is the blind
> leading the blind...
You seem to preaching quite a bit here...
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