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From: elag <elag@cloudNINE.net>
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Subject: Re: voting machines
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:06:58 -0400
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Paul Heslop wrote:
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> elag wrote:
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> > Paul Heslop wrote:
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> > > elag wrote:
> > >
> > > > Paul Heslop wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul Kinsler wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Electronic Voting Debacle
> > > > > > By Scott Granneman,
> > > > > > SecurityFocusPosted: 18/11/2003 at 11:51 GMT
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Grave concerns over the security of electronic voting
> > > > > > machines in the United States means the heart of American
> > > > > > democracy is at risk, writes SecurityFocus columnist
> > > > > > Scott Granneman.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/34051.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > #Paul
> > > > >
> > > > > It's a little like locking the door after the Bush got in though, isn't
> > > > > it?
> > > >
> > > > People would still like to be sure that thir votes are recorded. Many
> > > > people may make use of (mailed in) absentee ballots, if they are
> > > > suspicious of the eVoting.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > replace "NINE" with "9" to reply
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> > > Mail ballots are just starting to take a hold here, mainly to combat
> > > lethargy.
> >
> > People that lethargic probably aren't much interested in Democracy
> > anyway. As it is, absentee ballots are only counted in close elections
> > or recounts. If enough people are suspicious of the lack of
> > verification in the current eVote system the numbers might be sufficient
> > to make counting them a matter of course.
> >
> > How do your mail ballots work. Is it meant mainly for people who are
> > out of town for extended periods, or does it have some other function?
> >
> > --
> > Replace "NINE" with "9" to reply.
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> I think the problem here, right now at least, is that people know they're going
> to be screwed whoever gets in.
I think it's pretty safe to assume that w/ politicians anywhere.
> There is a problem that they genuinely believe the
> Lib Dems cannot take power, hence will often just not vote rather than vote the
> third way. With the two main parties there used to be a distinguishing factor,
> with Conservatives being for money and business and Labour being socialist and
> for the common man. Now with the bright and shiny (New) labour unless you're
> pretty rich you'll get shafted.
That's pretty much the story here as well. The Right has moved so far
to the right that the Left had to inch past the middle to keep pace. Of
course, the fix is always in for the wealthy.
> Of course they will throw in a few sweeteners
> near election time, only to throttle us afterwards,
That used to be the only real difference... the Left would throw a sop
at "the people" even while both parties were busy feathering their nest.
At some point they found out that they didn't even need the sop... just
so long as there were still a few billionaire donors around.
> but I'm actually scared at
> how easily people seem to have accepted Blair's almost dictatorial methods. His
> latest one of refusing a referendum about the new EU constitution is scary. There
> are certainly signs that it could lead to fundamental changes in the british
> constitution, yet he blankly refuses to let the people have a say as he knows
> they will turn it down.
So, what percentage of eligible Brits vote?
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