Fred Hall wrote:
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>> On Oct 22, 11:33 am, Fred Hall <fkh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> wgroom <wgr...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:14e3fbda-eb65-4b7a-a186-
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>>>> The catastrophic destruction of men and animals by an overwhelming
>>>> flood in the days of Noah, 2370 B.C.E. This greatest catalclysm in
>>>> all human history was sent by Jehovah because wicked men had filled
>>>> the earth with violence. The survival of righteous Noah and his
>>>> family, eight souls in all, together with selected animals, was by
>>>> means of a huge ark, or chest.-----Ge 6:9-19; 1Pet 3:20; See ARK
>>>> No. 1; NOAH No. 1
>>>
>>>> Extent Of The Deluge
>>>> This was no local flash flood or cloudburst. In fact, the Greek
>>>> word used in the Bible to refer to the Flood, or Deluge, is
>>>> 'ka-ta-kly- smos', a cataclysm. (Lu 17:27, ftn) Local floods come
>>>> and go in a manner of days; this one lasted over a year, the
>>>> greater portion of which was required for the water to subside.
>>>> How unreasonable to believe Noah spent perhaps 50 or 60 years
>>>> building a huge vessel of approximately 40,000 cu m (1,400,000 cu
>>>> ft) for the survival of his family and a few animals through a
>>>> mere local flood! If only a comparatively small area was affected,
>>>> why the need of bringing into the ark specimens of "every living
>>>> creature of every sort of flesh: in order to "preserve offspring
>>>> alive on the surface of the entire earth:"? (Ge 6:19; 7:3)
>>>> Definitely this was a global deluge, the lik e of which had never
>>>> occurred before nor has since. "The waters overwhelmed the earth
>>>> so greatly that all the tall mountains that were under the whole
>>>> heavens came to be covered. Up to 15 cubits [c. 6.5 m; 22 ft] the
>>>> waters overwhelmed them and the mountains became covered." (Ge
>>>> 7:19, 20) "The end of all flesh has come before me," Jehovah said,
>>>> hence "I will wipe every existing thing that I have made off the
>>>> surface of the ground." And it was just so. "Everyth ing in which
>>>> the breath of the force of life was active in its nostrils,
>>>> namely, all that were on the dry ground, died....only Noah and
>>>> those who were with him in the ark kept on surviving."--- Ge 6:13;
>>>> 7:4, 22, 23
>>>
>>>>
>> Timing Of The
>>>> Deluge
>>>
>>>> The Deluge did not come suddenly without warning. Years of time
>>>> were spent building the ark, time that Noah the "preacher of
>>>> righteousness: also used in warning that wicked generation. (2Pe
>>>> 2:5). Finally t he time limit was up "in the six hundredth year of
>>>> Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the
>>>> month." The "male and female of every sort of flesh" ad been
>>>> brought into the ark with Noah's family, as well as a sufficient
>>>> food supply for all, and "after that Jehovah shut the door." Then
>>>> the "floodgates of the heavens wer e opened." (Ge 7:11, 16). There
>>>> was an incessant torrential downpou r for "forty days and forty
>>>> nights" ; "the waters continued overwhelming the earth: a hundred
>>>> and fifty days. (Ge 7:4, 12, 24). Five month s after the downpour
>>>> began, the ark "came to a rest on the mountains of Ararat." (ge
>>>> 8:5), another three months before Noah removed the ark's covering
>>>> to see that the earth had practically drained (Ge 8:13), and
>>>> nearly two months later when the door was opened and the survivors
>>>> set foot on dry ground again.---Ge 8:14-18.
>>>
>>>> Noah and his family entered the ark in the 600th year of Noah's
>>>> life, the 2nd month (October-November), the 17th day. (Gen 7:11).
>>>> One year later (a year consisting of 360 days) was the 17th day,
>>>> 2nd month, 601st year. Ten days after that would be the 27th day
>>>> of the 2nd month, when they came out; a total of 370 days, or
>>>> parts of 371 separate days, spent in the ark. (Ge 8:13,14). In the
>>>> log that No ah kept, it appears he used months of 30 days each,12
>>>> of them equaling 360 days. In this way he avoided all the
>>>> complicated fractions involved had he used strictly a lunar months
>>>> consisting of slightly more than 29 1/2 days. That such
>>>> calculations were used in the account is evident from the fact
>>>> that a five-month period consisted of 150 days.---Ge 7:11, 24; 8:
>>>> 3,4.
>>>
>>>> The Floodwaters
>>>> It has been said that if all the moisture in the atmosphere were
>>>> suddenly released as rain it would not amount to even a couple of
>>>> inches if spread over the earth's surface. So from what source was
>>>> this vast deluge of Noah's day? According to the Genesis account,
>>>> Go d said to Noah: "Here I [Jehovah] am bringing the deluge [or,
>>>> "heavenly ocean"; Heb., mab.bul'] of waters upon the earth." (Ge
>>>> 6:17, ftn). Describing what happened, the next chapter says: "All
>>>> the springs of the vast watery deep were broken open and the
>>>> floodgates of the heavens were opened." (Ge 7:11) So overwhelming
>>>> was the Deluge that "all the tall mountains that were under the
>>>> whole heavens came to be covered." -- Ge 7:19
>>>
>>>> Where did the "heavenly ocean" come from? The Genesis account of
>>>> creation tells how on the second "day" Jehovah made an expanse
>>>> about the earth , and this expanse (called "Heaven") formed a
>>>> division between the waters below it, that is, the oceans, and the
>>>> waters above it. (Ge 1: 6-8). The waters suspended above the
>>>> expanse evidently remained there from the second "day" of creation
>>>> until the Flood. This is what the apostle Peter was talking about
>>>> when he recounted that there "were a heavens from of old and earth
>>>> standing compactly out of water and in the midst of the water by
>>>> the word of God." Thos e "heavens" and the waters above and
>>>> beneath them were the means that God's word called into operation,
>>>> and "by those means the world at that time suffered destruction
>>>> when it was deluged with water." (2Pe t 3: 5,6). Various
>>>> explanations have been offered as to how the wat er was held aloft
>>>> until the Flood and as to the processes that resulted in its
>>>> falling. The Bible simply says that God made the expanse with
>>>> waters above it and that he brought the Deluge. His almighty power
>>>> could easily accomplish it.
>>>
>>>> Since, as the Genesis account says, "all the tall mountains" were
>>>> covered with water, where is all that water now? Evidently it is
>>>> right here on the earth. It is believed that there was a time when
>>>> the oceans were smaller and the continents were larger than they
>>>> are now, as is evidenced by river channels extending far out under
>>>> the oceans. It should also be noted that scientists have stated
>>>> that mountains in the past were much lower than at present, and
>>>> some mountains have even been pushed up from the seas. As to the
>>>> present situation, it is said that "there is ten times as much
>>>> water by volume in the ocean as there is land above sea level.
>>>> Dump all this land evenly into the sea, and water would cover the
>>>> earth, one and a half miles deep." (National Geographic, January
>>>> 1945, p. 105) So, afte r the floodwaters fell, but before the
>>>> raising of mountains and the lowering of seabeds and before the
>>>> builldup of polar ice caps, there was more than enough water to
>>>> cover "all the mountains," as the inspired record says.--- Gen
>>>> 7:19.
>>>
>>>> Effect On The Earth
>>>
>>>> With the Deluge great changes came, for example, the life span of
>>>> humans dropped very rapidly. Some have suggested that prior to the
>>>> Flood the waters above the expanse shielded out some of the harmful
>>>> radiation and that, with the waters gone, cosmic radiation
>>>> generally harmful to man increased. However, the Bible is silent
>>>> on the matter. Incidentally, any change in radiation would have
>>>> altered the rate of formation of radioactive carbon-14 to such an
>>>> extent as to invalidate all radiocarbon dates prior to the Flood.
>>>
>>>> With the sudden opening of the 'springs of the watery deep' and
>>>> "the floodgagtes of the heavens," untold billions of tons of water
>>>> deluged the earth. (Ge 7:11). This may have caused changes in the
>>>> earth's surface. The earth's crust is relatively thin (estimated
>>>> at between 30 km [20 mi] and 160 km [100 mi] thick, stretched over
>>>> a rather plastic mass thousands of kilometers in diameter. Hence,
>>>> under the added weight of the water, there was likely a great
>>>> shifting in the crust. In time new mountains evidently were thrust
>>>> upward, old mountains rose to new heights, shallow sea basins were
>>>> deepened, and new shorelines were established, with the result
>>>> that now about 70 percent of the surface is covered with water.
>>>> This shifting of th e earth's crust may account for many of the
>>>> geological phenomena, such as the raising of old coastlines to new
>>>> heights. It has been estimated by some that water pressures alone
>>>> were equal to "2 tons per square inch," sufficient to fossilize
>>>> fuana and flora quickly.--See The Biblical Flood And Ice Epoch, by
>>>> D. Patten, 1966, p. 62
>>>
>>>> (What evidence prove
>> s that there was a truly
>>>> global deluge)?
>>>
>>>> Other possible evidence of a drastic change: Remains of mammoths
>>>> and rhinoceroses have been found in different parts of the earth.
>>>> Some were found in Siberian cliffs; others were preserved in
>>>> Siberian and Alaskan ice. (PICTURE, Vol. 1 p. 328) In fct, some
>>>> were found wit h food undigested in their stomachs or still
>>>> unchewed in their teeth, indicating they died suddenly. It is
>>>> estimated, from the trade in ivory tusks, that bones of tens of
>>>> thousands have been found. The fossil remains of many other
>>>> animals, such as lions, tigers, bears, and elk, have been found in
>>>> common strata, which may indicate that all of these were destroyed
>>>> simultaneously. Some have pointed to such finds as definite
>>>> physical proof of a rapid change in climate and and sudden
>>>> destruction by a universal flood. Others, however, favor
>>>> explanations for death of these animals that do not involve an
>>>> earth- wide catastrophe. Proof that the Flood occurred is not
>>>> dependent on such fossils and frozen animal remains.
>>>
>>>> Flood Legends
>>>> Such a cataclysm as the Deluge, which washed the whole world of
>>>> that time out of existence, would never be forgotten by the
>>>> survivors. They would talk about it to their grandchildren and
>>>> their childrens' children. For 500 years after the Deluge, Shem
>>>> lived on to relate th e event to many generations. He died only
>>>> ten years before the birth o f Jacob. Moses preserved the true
>>>> account in Genesis. Sometime afte r the Flood, when God-defying
>>>> people build the Tower of Babel, Jehovah confused their language
>>>> and scattered them "over all the surface of the earth." (Ge 11:9)
>>>> It was only natural that these people took with them stories of
>>>> the Flood and passed them on from father to son. The fact that
>>>> there are not merely a few but perhaps hundreds of different
>>>> stories about that great Deluge, and that such stories are found
>>>> among the traditions of many primitive races the world over, is a
>>>> strong proof that all these peoples had a common origin and that
>>>> their early forefathers shared that Flood experience in common.---
>>>> CHART, Vol. 1, p. 328
>>>
>>>> These folklore accounts of the Deluge agree with major features of
>>>> the Biblical account: (1) a place of refuge for a few survivors,
>>>> (2) an otherwise global destruction of life by water, and (3) a
>>>> seed of mankind preserved. The Egyptians, the Greeks, the Chinese,
>>>> the Druid s of Britain, the Polynesians, the Eskimos and
>>>> Greenlanders, the Africans, the Hindus, and the American
>>>> Indians----all of these have their Flood stories. The
>>>> International Standard Bible Encyclopedia (Vol. 2, p. 319 states:
>>>> "Flood stories have been discovered among nearly all nations and
>>>> tribes. Though most common on the Asian mainland and the islands
>>>> immediately south of it and on the North American continent, they
>>>> have been found on all the continents. Totals of the number of
>>>> stories known run as high as 270.....The universalality of the
>>>> flood accounts is usually taken as evidence for the universal
>>>> destruction of humanity by a flood and the spread of the human
>>>> race from one locale and even from one family. Though the
>>>> traditions may not all refer to the same flood, apparently the
>>>> vast majority do. The assertion that many of these flood stories
>>>> came fro m contacts from missionaries will not stand jup because
>>>> most of them were gathered by anthropologists not interested in
>>>> vindicating the Bible, and they are filled with fanciful and pagan
>>>> elements evidently the result of transmission for extended periods
>>>> of time in a pagan society. Moreover, some of the ancient accounts
>>>> were written by people very much in opposition to the
>>>> Hebrew-Christian tradition."--- Edited by G. Bromiley, 1982.
>>>
>>>> In times past, certain primitive people (in Australia, Egypt, Fiji,
>>>> Society Islands, Peru, Mexico, and other places) preserved a
>>>> possible remnant of these traditions about the Flood by observing
>>>> in November a 'Feast of Ancestors' ofr a 'Festival of the Dead.'
>>>> Such customs reflected a memory of the destruction caused by the
>>>> Deluge. Accordin g to the book Life and Work at the Great Pyramid,
>>>> the festival of Mexico was held on the 17th of November because
>>>> they "had a tradition that at that time the world had previously
>>>> been destroyed; and they dreaded lest a similar catastrophe would,
>>>> at the end of a cycle, annihilate the human race." (By Professor
>>>> C. Piazzi Smyth, Edinburgh, 1867, Vol II, pp. 390,391) Notes the
>>>> book The Worship of the Dead: "This festival [of the dead] is....
>>>> held by all or about on which, according to the Mosaic account,
>>>> the Deluge took place, viz., the seventeenth day of the second
>>>> month---the month nearly corresponding to our November." (By J.
>>>> Garnier, London, 1904, p. 4) Interestingly, the Bible reports that
>>>> the flood began "in the second month , on the seventeenth day of
>>>> the month." (Ge 7:11) That "second month" corresponds to the
>>>> latter part of October and the first part of November on our
>>>> calendar.
>>>
>>>>
>> Scriptural
>>>> Confirmation
>>>
>>>> Stronger evidence of the historicalness of the Deluge than the
>>>> pagan traditions of primitive people is the endorsement other
>>>> Bible writers gave under inspiration. The only other place where
>>>> the same Hebrew word (mab.bul', deluge) occus outside the Genesis
>>>> account is in David's melody where he describes Jehovas as seated
>>>> "upon the Deluge" (Ps. 29:10). However, other writers make
>>>> reference to and confirm the Genesis account, as, for example,
>>>> Isaiah. (Isa. 54:9) Ezekiel also endorses historocity of Noah.
>>>> (Eze 14:14, 18, 20. Pe ter draws heavily upon the Deluge account
>>>> in his letters. (1Pet 3:20; 2Pe 2:5; 3:5,6) Paul testifies to the
>>>> great faith Noah displayed in constructing the ark for the
>>>> survival of his household (Heb 11:7) Luke lists Noah in the
>>>> lineage of Messiah's forebearers-- Luke 3:36
>>>
>>>> Even more significant is what Jesus said about the days of the
>>>> Deluge as recorded by both Luke and Matthew. Far more than just a
>>>> simple endorsement of the veracity of the Deluge account, Jesus'
>>>> words show the pictorial and prophetic significance of those
>>>> ancient events. In answer to the disciples' question, "What will
>>>> be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system
>>>> of things"? Jesus said, among other things: "For just as the days
>>>> of Noah were, so the presence of the son of man will be. For as
>>>> they were in those days before the flood drinking, men marrying
>>>> and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered
>>>> into the ark; and they took no note until the flood came and swept
>>>> them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be." (Mt.
>>>> 24:3, 37-39; Lu 17: 26, 27). The re is, therefore, abundant,
>>>> evidence from the inspired Holy Scriptures themselves to support
>>>> the authenticity and genuineness of the Deluge account. It does
>>>> not rest on mere traditions of men, on the folklore of primitive
>>>> people, or on geologic and archaelogicial findings.
>>>
>>>> Insight On The Scriptures, pgs. 609-12
>>>
>>> Does the WTS know of your plagiarism?
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> "These clowns are all Jokers!" - Rasta Khan
>>
>> Why don't you tell them it was purely copied and not plagarized and
>> pass it to the ends of the earth?? LOL.
>>
>> wg
>>
>
> Obvesly you are not familiar with copyright laws. The WTS, otoh, loves
> to go after folks that plagiarise their publications
obvesly , lol
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