Stomp old lad
How you doin' - where you been?
I thought you'd vanished up your own singularity.....
I never said I couldn't read yEnc (I've always openly supported yProxy,
simply because it allows people to stick with what they feel comfortable
with).
What I did say is I still don't LIKE the format (because it excludes) and
would never use it to post (not that I claim to be a poster) myself.
I still maintain that yEnc is the equivalent of the secret handshake - my
guess is that the majority of people in the groups (the non-tekkies) don't
know why it's used .... they just use it because .... and support it
because they use it.
With over 6 billion working copies of windows out there - only a moron
could possibly argue that OE is in any shape or form a minority.
But like all elitists the "tekkies" assume that only they count and thus
they constitute the majority.
What I do support however, is a poster's right to do what they damm well
please
(so we do agree on something!).
We are indebted to them .... and not the other way round ...
Because of this I still maintain that we non-posters have no say in the
matter.
We can debate the debate .... like re-posts there are always newbs who
haven't seen the arguments ...
and so the yEnc argument may be over three to you .... but it's new to the
newbs.
I doubt that many if any are interested in the "facts" however - all they
see is another barrier or test they have to pass.
Don't knock it .... what else to we have to bitch about?
As for the dark side (shudder) no, I've not crossed over Stompywan.
My concern is that since we last spoke we - and other groups I lurk - have
lost yet more significant posters .... and not because they've run out of
material....
Anyhow nice to see you're still about.
ac
Stomp@here.ca wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:39:57 -0600, shineytight@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >You know, the super stupid nerdy "with-it" folks who use
> >Yenc are missing the boat. Why use encoding that MOST folks
> >don't necessarily understand? What are you proving to the
> >world in general besides you are "super stupid nerdy"?
> > You are the descendants of the Wankel rotary generation.
>
> My word does this ever end?
>
> It's been over 3 years people! 3 long years! Yet once again the same
> noise by those who fight change and technology..
>
> At this point in time something like 97% of all Usenet binary volume,
> (if you can believe GigaNews), is posted via yEnc. It isn't done for
> any of these self serving reasons you Luddites come up with, it is
> simply an efficient manner for the posting of binaries.
>
> So why is it done? Is it just to keep the OE people in the dark? To
> prove something? To demonstrate 'super stupid nerdyness'?
>
> Maybe if you spent less time trying to attack those who provide for
> free something to you and more trying to understand their position, as
> the providers, you would not take such a pedantic approach.
>
> Every crack group, every warez group, every movie group, every game
> group, etc. utilizes yEnc as their posting protocol because in simple
> terms a 5% overhead is faster, more efficient and less likely to fail
> due to reduced exposure to the hazards of the Internet. It has
> nothing to do with trying to prove anything and everything to do with
> operating better. It simply makes sense to take 1GB of binaries and
> post them over an encapsulation shell of 1.05GB versus 1.40GB being as
> the .05 and the .40GB does not offer any value add but overhead. In
> the end you still only get 1GB of binary files, so tell me the benefit
> of downloading an extra 400MB versus 50MB only to wind up with exactly
> the same file when the smoke clears?
>
> Let alone explain to any poster why they should have to upload an
> extra 350MB when it in no way enhances the final result?
>
> What is your next rally? Going to go to the motion picture companies
> and tell them that you only have VHS machines in your home so they
> should stop all this DVD nonsense because it might require change on
> your part?
>
> Face the reality! This is something you get for free. The onus is on
> you, not the provider, to make it work. I hear these same whines in
> the movie groups where different codecs or player formats are being
> posted rather than the classic versions. This has been going on since
> the late 70's when Usenet started and someone wiz kid figured out that
> using XBin BBS protocol he could transfer a binary file in 'text'
> over Usenet and have it reassembled on the other end.
>
> Exactly when do you want to pronounce technology must stop? Anyone
> with a computer pre-1995 is probably dead in the water now. Shouldn't
> we fix them too if we're going to fix people like you?
>
> Utter nonsense.
>
> If all you can manage is point and click then a 1978 TCIP Legacy
> system is not for you because despite all the improvements in NNTP
> Client software that is what you are using, an old system that hasn't
> been upgraded since the mid 1980's. To expect it will work with
> simplicity is just childishness... which I firmly expect is not just
> an analogy in this case.
>
> You want what we post on Usenet then learn Usenet. And as such using
> OE which now has a NNTP engine that is over 8 years old is probably
> not going to cut it. There are lots of free alternatives available.
>
> AND NO! The majority of NNTP users do NOT use OE, maybe the majority
> of NNTP morons, but not users.
>
> A good trick would be to add a filter where anything yEnc is
> deleted... I'm sure the 3% of binary posts of all of Usenet is all you
> need anyway.
>
> Stomp
>
> PS: AC I see that you, as I predicted, turned to the dark side, isn't
> reality a bitch!
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