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From: Naughty Boy <naughtynaughty>
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Subject: Re: A Child is Born Innocent
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 03:32:34 +0000 (UTC)
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HMS Victor Victorian <VictorVictorian@HRM.com> wrote in
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> On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 07:38:31 -0500, (gu)stav <no@hushmail.rightnow>
> wrote:
>
>>On 2009-02-08 18:38:08 -0500, HMS Victor Victorian
>><VictorVictorian@HRM.com> said:
>>
>>> I've come across two images on this good Sunday,that has given me
>>> pause.
>>>
>>> Truly a child is born of innocence and potential,
>>> Without preordination
>>> And his potential is shaped by love and caring,
>>> Or horribly misshaped by the cruelties of
>>> An angry and bitter world.
>>> And through that tutelage
>>> Learns True Evil.
>>>
>>> HMS Victor Victorian NP-g18
>>>
>>>
>>> God Save the Queen!
>>> God Preserve the Prince of Wales!
>>> Rule Britannia!
>>
>>Your overall point is very well taken.
>>
>>However, I think in using photos of young Adolph Hitler to make your
>>point -- and placing your captions in the mouth of Hitler himself,
>>paraphrasing "Mein Kampf" perhaps? -- you undermine the whole thing on
>>historical grounds. There is no particular evidence outside Hitler's
>>own claims decades later -- which were part of a general program of
>>auto-hagiography that painted his early life and struggles in a very
>>dark light, in order to magnify the splendour of his triumph -- that he
>>was abused as a child. The only testimony to this effect is Hitler's
>>own. And please remember, we are not talking here about one of the
>>great truth-tellers of history.
>>
>>This does not negate the idea that children are born innocent and
>>should be treated with love and care ... if that IS your point. But if
>>you are also suggesting that Hitler should be remembered as a victim,
>>and that therefore his crimes -- against humanity in general, against
>>Jews in particular, against the German people, against the rule of law,
>>against the whole enterprise of civilization -- that these crimes are
>>SOMEBODY ELSE'S FAULT, the fault of his mean daddy, then you are on
>>shaky ground, to say the least.
>>
>>Surely you're aware of Godwin's Law.
>
> Dearest Gustav,
>
> Yes, I am quite aware of the convention to which you refer and do not
> wish to further pursue that skewed line of reasoning, which I consider
> juvenile--as I do casting the accusation it addresses.
>
> Thank you for your incisive comments. My position regarding the worn
> arguments about nature versus nurture is simple.
>
> Monsters are not born ... they are made.
>
> Hear me clearly ... there is no justification; indeed there can never
> be any justification, for exacting such unbelievable cruelty on
> others. The fact that Hitler did so with such apparent ease does not
> and can never absolve his responsibility for such cruelty. I would
> say that, accepting he himself purportedly had been the victim of
> cruelty, his actions in later life were all the more damning. As to
> whether he suffered as a child at the hands of his father, those very
> acts seem solid evidence, irrespective of the disrepute of the source,
> indicating that it may well have been so.
>
> Yet such a malevolent seed could not have grown without the
> nourishment of poisonous humus, poisoned by the violence of his
> father, the ravages of the Great War, the revenge-filled, crippling
> humiliation administered to Germany by the victorious Allies, most
> particularly and regrettably England and France,the simultaneous
> scourge of financial depression and inflation during the Weimar
> Republic. These, coupled with Hitler's own sense of rage and
> inadequacy, allowed that seed to germinate. I firmly believe, that
> without these conditions, he would have been consigned to the
> historical dustbin of second rate politicians--as he initially had
> been during the 1920's.
>
> For it takes a village to raise a child. Thus, the village takes a
> certain responsibility ... do you not believe?
>
> You may indeed be correct--I have not read Mein Kampf--I dislike
> reading treatises which endorse hatred ... by anyone. Please do not
> construe my musings as an endorsement of Hitler the man, his
> philosophy, or his deeds ... for I loathe them all. Rather, I mourn
> the child.
>
> The belief, in any and every case, that the ends justifies the means,
> is the unending torment of mankind, for with it rises yet another
> child, from the womb of innocence, to wreak havoc upon the helpless.
>
> Thank you very much for your response.
>
> HMS Victor Victorian NP-g18
They made the case for killing jews the same as you make the case for
molesting boys. C'est Dommage.
--
Look at that. The one, the only, the original, the stupid Naughty Boy is
back. Who said Usenet couldn't go further downhill?
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