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From: "Dr. Jason Gastrich" <news@jcsm.org>
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Subject: Re: Baptism: Not A Requirement for Salvation
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isi wrote:
> news:bqfd9p$h7n$1@atlantis.news.tpi.pl...
>
> Hi Uncle Davey!
>
>> news:vsmcgbk7rg6nf3@corp.supernews.com...
>>> "Dr. Jason Gastrich" <news@jcsm.org> wrote in message
>>> news:FXFyb.60758$t01.39970@twister.socal.rr.com...
>>>> Uncle Davey wrote:
>>>
>>>> Excellent post, brother.
>
> I've read it and I agree, as well as with the excellence of Dr.
> Gastrich's research paper which has the same title as this
> thread.
>
>>> No, it's not. I didn't repost the articles to solicit the
>>> "opinions" of the two of you on Baptism but to show that two
>>> postings which I made in the thread above were removed from the
>>> archive on Google... along with every other posting I made between
>>> Sept 20th and October 1st 2003 to that newsgroup.
>
> And along with many postings other people sent to that ng between
> those two dates.
>
>> Your "Uncle"
>> Davey
>>> claims to be responsible for that archive
>
> I doubt Mr. Mike Bugal can produce a message-id to prove this
> claim.
>
>> and the deletion of those
>> posting
>
> They were not deleted; they have never been archived.
>
> I can testify that Uncle Davey would never do such a thing as
> deleting someone else's posts.
>
> Besides, if Mr. Bugal had taken the time to read the Google FAQ's
> and helpfiles, instead of making such fortuitous insults and
> repeating them ad nauseam in more than one thread, he would have
> known that Google does not grant requests to delete someone
> else's posts. The only exceptions are copyright law
> infringements, when Google, for obvious reasons, will hurry to
> remove the infringing posts.
>
>>> proves exactly the point that I have made in the last couple of
>>> days concerning any Christian who doesn't walk lock step with you
>>> in that newsgroup!
>>
>> Please explain where I made any such outrageous claim.
>>
>> I am not responsible for the Google archive.
>>
>> I was pointing out that we are archived from 20th September.
>
> Maybe Mr. Bugal doesn't understand this; it means that no
> free.christians posts dating from before 20 September have been
> archived by Google.
>
>> Some threads prior to 24th September are broken, and so if you are
>> searching on the thread you won't necessarily get back to them.
>
> The way I understand it, is as follows: the Google archives
> contains *only* free.christians postings with posting dates after
> 19 September, and then only if at least one of the following
> conditions is fulfilled:
> 1. they were posted to threads which _started_ after 19
> September.
> 2. if they were responses to old threads (i.e. threads from
> before 20 September), then Google only archived them if they were
> crossposted to an archived ng.
>
> I think that some of Mr. Bugal's (and many other posters')
> messages are missing, because they were neither posted to new
> threads nor crossposted to archived groups.
>
>> I did check whether your non-standard spelling 'chutzbah' has been
>> used in free.christians to date, and Google thinks not, so either it
>> did not propagate properly through Usenet or you only sent it to
>> non-included groups. We can't do anything about it.
>
> Yet another circumstance that could explain the absence of Mr.
> Bugal's posts, is the fact that he changed his e-mail address on
> 19 September 2003; at the very least this should have made him
> think that he himself might have been the cause of his trouble,
> and not you or Dr. Gastrich.
>
>> Nobody is interested in censoring your views or keeping them out of
>> any archive.
>> Even blasphemers are not treated that way, and I wouldn't put you in
>> that category.
>>
>> Send them again, and this time they probably will be archived,
>> barring any technical problems outside our control.
>
> Meanwhile they have been "reposted". Interestingly the first line
> shows no message-id; did Mr. Bugal tamper with his own posts?
>
> [...]
>>> It appears one of us knows what
>>> "integrity" means!
>>
>> In this thou spakest truly.
>
> LOL.
>
>> Uncle Davey
>
> isi
Hi isi and welcome to free.christians.
Thanks for your thoughtful response. I concur.
Jason
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