Piorokrat wrote:
> Uzytkownik "Nevermore" <burned@thestake.net> napisal w wiadomosci
> news:20031123002923658-0500@news.valley.net...
>
>>In <bpngrl$fin$1@atlantis.news.tpi.pl> Uncle Davey wrote:
>>
>>>news:bpnfmh$1qhu5f$1@ID-140581.news.uni-berlin.de...
>>>
>>>>"Piorokrat" tries the bait 'n switch:
>>>>
>>>>>"Zsarnok" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Nevermore wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>><snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> > > >
>>>>>
>>>>>>>We're Witches. We haven't done anything wrong. Why would we
>>>>>>>need salvation - free or otherwise? Why would we need to
>>>>>>>believe in something that doesn't appear to produce results
>>>>>>>when we do things
>>>>
>>>>that
>>>>
>>>>>>>produce tangible results whether we lack faith in them or not?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Nevermore
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yeah. What Nevermore said. <w>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Zsarnok
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>So if you for example cast a spell, you achieve what you want
>>>>>whether
>>>
>>>you
>>>
>>>>>even believe in it or not?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Is that what Nevermore stated, ye of blind faith?
>>>>Do you actually expect to have _magic_ explained to you?
>>>>Bwahahaha.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>That's handy.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It's also sophist of you, Davie.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Uncle Davey, you're all pretty rich, then?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Prayed for gold and gotten it, Davie?
>>>>Depends on what you mean by "rich" and what
>>>>Nevermore may mean by "tangible results" doesn't
>>>>it? Next, you'll be asking 'what tangible results', eh?
>>>>Or, will you try to dodge predictablilty and take
>>>>another tack - like not replying to this post? Heh.
>>>>
>>>>T.N.
>>>
>>>You see, Trevor, I don't believe that God wants me to be rich without
>>>working for it. Why would He have given me the earnings potential for
>>>it only to go to waste after a lottery win?
>>>
>>>That means, I couldn't pray for gold with any faith.
>>>
>>>I'd know I was asking amiss.
>>>
>>>But from what Nevermore said, what she does produces results whether
>>>or not she lacks faith in them. Hence, if I believed that, I could
>>>make a wealth charm, I could bury the talisman of Mercury under my
>>>office, and bingo, early retirement, even though I don't believe in
>>>that stuff.
>>>
>>>Uncle Davey, I don't think I've extrapolated this point illogically.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Davey, for the record, I'm a guy (and yes, I'm still a Witch not a
>>wizard).
>
>
> I don't get it. How can you be a guy and a witch. Girl ones are witches, boy
> ones are wizards. Every kid knows that.
>
> So how can you tell me you're a witch and a guy at the same time?
>
You watch Charmed don't you?
>
>>I'm also pretty well off but there is little point in bending magick to
>>making money when you can use what is inherent in magick to skip right
>>over the cash and get the things which cash can buy (and many more
>>things it can't).
>
>
> "I don't care too much for money, money can't buy me love"?
>
>
>>You still haven't addressed my real question which was simply this - why
>>would witches need salvation if we haven't done anything wrong?
>>
>>Nevermore (proud owner of some of the most environmentally damaging and
>>expensive vehicles on this planet)
>
>
> I drive a Grand Cherokee myself, which is a gas guzzler.
>
> You ask what we have done wrong, I would put it in to one sentence.
> We have failed to give God the glory due unto his name.
> That's all humankind, witches and wizards and muggles as well.
>
> Uncle Davey
>
There is no God, so no giving of glory is owed.
Zsarnok
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