Last of All wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:22:09 GMT, Grinder <grinder@no.spam.maam.com>
> wrote:
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>>Last of All wrote:
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>>>On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:16:13 GMT, Grinder <grinder@no.spam.maam.com>
>>>wrote:
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>>>
>>>>Grinder wrote:
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>>>>
>>>>>>Which of these premises are wrong?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>(1) Man may freely choose A or B.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>(2) God knows, in advance, what man will choose.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>(3) God cannot be wrong.
>>>>
>>>>Bible Bob wrote:
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>None. All three statements are true.
>>>>
>>>>If God were to know, in advance, that man will choose "A", how is the
>>>>man truly free to choose A or B when he finally reaches that decision?
>>>
>>>
>>>If I were playing a friendly game of cards with friends and the corner
>>>of one of the cards was bent. The fact that I knew what that card was
>>>when it was next in the stack didn't mean the shuffle wasn't fair.
>>
>>Is that intended to be an analogy?
>
>
> Certainly, just because an outcome is known doesn't necessarily mean
> the knowing influenced the outcome.
It's a bad analogy then, as there is no counterpart to decision or free
will in the card example. Nonetheless, you've hit near the disagreement
Bible Bob and I are having.
He would maintain, I think, that knowing, in advance, what choice will
be made for a given decision does not influence the choices that could
be made when that decision arrives.
That just doesn't make sense to me.
> On the other hand, the whole conversation strikes me as another
> "angels on the head of a pen" diversions. But then, so does a lot of
> the conversation on USENET lately, I don't know, maybe I'm geting
> burned out again.
I think I can agree with you there. Even Uncle Davey has the good sense
to realize that believing in God doesn't have to make sense, as it's a
matter of faith.
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