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> Uncle Davey wrote:
> >> Uncle Davey wrote:
> >>>> Uncle Davey wrote:
> >>>>>> Uncle Davey wrote:
> >>>>>>> Uzytkownik <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> napisal w wiadomosci
> >>>>>>> news:1104741408.314216.10300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>>>> Jason Gastrich wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Davey,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Did you have a good weekend?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It wasn't that magnificent, thanks. I had to go to Tczew on
> >>>>>>> Sunday for an inventory count, and the road wasn't fantastic,
> >>>>>>> but thanks for asking.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> What's new?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Not much. Lots of work to do.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Davey posted and said he was leaving the groups for a bit,
> >>>>>>>> Jason.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I didn't last long.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Anyway, I'm still gonna be posting hardly anything. No time.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I wonder what he'll think of
> >>>>>>>> http://www.geocities.com/hdsienkiewicz/JG_DOC_A.jpg ?
> >>>>>>>> And isn't email a better place for chit-chat?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'll tell you you what I think, David, I think it was a court
> >>>>>>> error.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In my experience court clerks make a lot of errors, after all,
> >>>>>>> who's gonna sue 'em? I remember the patience I had to have with
> >>>>>>> them in my limited experience.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I haven't read enough yet since getting back from my inventory
> >>>>>>> count attendances all over this country to know whether Jason
> >>>>>>> says it is a court error, but I simply do not believe he would
> >>>>>>> have been dumb enough to state 200 USD if he knew very well you
> >>>>>>> could get hold of something that said 2000 USD.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Uncle Davey
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Wow, Davey hit the nail on the head. This is exactly right.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> God bless,
> >>>>>> Jason
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have the odd bit of discernment here and there as you know, and
> >>>>> now I have a little message for you, which you are at liberty to
> >>>>> take on or not depending on whether the Spirit confirms these
> >>>>> words to you.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> David Sienkiewicz is not so far gone as to forge changes to
> >>>>> documents. This is something he will not do, according to my
> >>>>> reading of him, nevertheless he is so prejudiced against the
> >>>>> evangelical side that he automatically assumes some blame on your
> >>>>> part when the document says something other than what you
> >>>>> expected it to.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My reading of the way Durango Bill has added this to his site is
> >>>>> that he actually knows very well that it was a court error, and is
> >>>>> slagging you off for saying 'no' when you I dare say were fairly
> >>>>> sure that the note said 200USD because you hadn't noticed that it
> >>>>> came back with an error on saying 2000 USD. This has been taken
> >>>>> in a recent post by Sienkiewicz to mean that Bill also thinks you
> >>>>> were lying about the 200USD, but here again he shows his
> >>>>> prejudice, as the way Bill phrases it gives the game away that he
> >>>>> knew it was only an oversight on your part. Otherwise he would
> >>>>> have stressed the matter differently.
> >>>>
> >>>> Wise words. My thoughts exactly.
> >>>>
> >>>>> David's got you lumped in with the Benny Hinns and their ilk,
> >>>>> which is a great pity for two reasons, firstly because you are
> >>>>> not of their ilk, and are truly God's saved child, even with all
> >>>>> your faults - no bigger than mine I hasten to add - and this I
> >>>>> know because it takes an experienced person from within
> >>>>> Evangelical Christianity to discern the difference, they cannot.
> >>>>
> >>>> Good point.
> >>>>
> >>>> Benny Hinn is a fraud for a number of reasons. This can be
> >>>> verified at http://apologeticsindex.org. In fact, it's a huge
> >>>> archive or frauds.
> >>>>
> >>>>> That is why you have to be more careful
> >>>>> in the way some things are presented. You have the right, as
> >>>>> someone who has dedicated a full-time level of work to
> >>>>> evangelism, to be supported in your cost of living by other
> >>>>> believers, and this is absolutely no different to the priests of
> >>>>> catholicism and the vicars of anglicanism that they would not
> >>>>> give a second thought to and whom they do not attack as
> >>>>> fraudulent because they live from the gifts of believers. They
> >>>>> are sensitive about it, my suggestion is that you are simply up
> >>>>> front about the fact that you do live from the love gifts of
> >>>>> God's people in the same way as other full time Christian workers
> >>>>> do, and be a bit careful with the way you present certain things
> >>>>> that help you make a living. You can see how far they go to
> >>>>> misunderstand this and behave as though you were building marble
> >>>>> halls on the backs of these donations, rather than them being an
> >>>>> essential part of any full-time ministry, and no different to the
> >>>>> money raising that goes on in any church that has full-time
> >>>>> ministers.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm not sure what this has to do with anything. I suppose you
> >>>> thought it was pertinent.
> >>>
> >>> I am writing it for their sakes, so that they can see that they are
> >>> not applying the same criterion when they should be between your
> >>> living and the living of other ministers whom they don't criticise.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> The second reason why it's a pity is that if all this energy were
> >>>>> being given by David Sienkiewicz in exposing real religious
> >>>>> charlatans, then you and I would probably be among the first to
> >>>>> applaud it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Amen.
> >>>>
> >>>>> It's true that we are only promised that the sheep and
> >>>>> the goats in the Church are separated at the end of time, but the
> >>>>> occasional exposure of a wolf in sheep's clothing here and there -
> >>>>> even by a non-Christian, is something I would not get in the way
> >>>>> of.
> >>>>
> >>>> Amen.
> >>>>
> >>>>> As it is he is like someone pulling at your fleece, and although
> >>>>> it doesn't come off whenever there is a cry of pain from the
> >>>>> sheep he thinks is suspect he says "hmnn. that sounded a bit
> >>>>> wolfy, that did, better yank some more". The more he tugs away at
> >>>>> that fleece, and even some of the hairs come of in his hand, the
> >>>>> more he thinks he is about to get the fleece off and reveal the
> >>>>> bristly grey lupine coat beneath, but all he is doing is
> >>>>> confirming his prejudices. That is, until they fall, which, God
> >>>>> willing, they will, and he will see himself an imperfect man
> >>>>> fighting another imperfect man for the simple reason that this
> >>>>> other imperfect man has been received by God through Christ.
> >>>>
> >>>> Good words.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Maybe this is the way God is calling him. Maybe he has to go
> >>>>> through this wrestling match with you in order to get a blessing.
> >>>>> Israel was always a wrestler, and he will not let you go unless
> >>>>> God bless him, even if it means a metaphorical wound on the
> >>>>> thigh. This is of course not good news for you as the one who
> >>>>> gets to play the role of the angel in that Genesis 32 scenario,
> >>>>> but in the end if you can turn his trying to cause you a penalty
> >>>>> into you causing him a Peniel, then everyone is blessed in the
> >>>>> end. That's why I think it may have been hasty for you to promise
> >>>>> not to speak to him. He needs mercy and love, in the end, like
> >>>>> every sinner. And the gospel is as we read to the Jew first and
> >>>>> then to the Greek. It's always a priviledge to be able to take
> >>>>> God's own truth to God's own people. I think that, hard as it is,
> >>>>> you're gonna need to engage him. My "prophesy", if you wanna
> >>>>> call it that, is that David Sienkiewicz is actually in the Elect,
> >>>>> but will only realise that against his will and will only be
> >>>>> brought to the Mercy Seat a-kickin' and a-scratchin' and
> >>>>> a-fleece-pullin'. Ignoring him isn't gonna do it. If you go
> >>>>> fishing, there's no point in cutting your line when there's a
> >>>>> marlin on the end of it. You've gotta reel that big fish in. With
> >>>>> a really big fish it can take other fishermen to hold the rod
> >>>>> with you and stop it getting yanked out of your hands, and I can
> >>>>> do that bit, but it's your fish.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have been thinking about this prophesy a bit. Do you have the
> >>>> gift of prophesy? Have you prophesied other things that have
> >>>> happened? Have you ever made a false prophesy?
> >>>
> >>> I have only made one other prophesy, when I was forced into it by
> >>> the Andrew Sheldrake that I mention in this article.
> >>> I wrote it three years ago, almost, as you can see.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?q=uncle+davey+sheldrake&hl=en&lr=&selm=3c7b3d89%2410%40news.ptt.ru&rnum=1
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> You notice I call him a very charismatic person. The full meaning of
> >>> that you can understand better than the people I was writing to
> >>> about it at the time, for he was very much into the Charismatic
> >>> movement, telling me that I wasn't growing in grace if I didn't
> >>> start developing spiritual gifts such as speaking in tongues,
> >>> healing (he reckoned I had a 'leg difference' and tried to 'heal'
> >>> me of it, but it didn't do any good, but thsi was down to my lack
> >>> of faith, of course)
> >>>
> >>> We were in Berlin, it was the Summer of 1982, and we had gone over
> >>> there to do some summer work as German language practice and shared
> >>> the same accommodation. He was mobbing me continually to speak in
> >>> tongues and prophesy, and was continually making prophesies about my
> >>> life, not of which have come true so far. The one he was most sure
> >>> of is that I would marry a girl he picked out of my college
> >>> photograph who was called Sarah, and oddly enough he picked out
> >>> someone who was in the Christian Union (she wasn't wearing any
> >>> badge or anything) which was already enough to persuade him that
> >>> he'd had my future wife revealed to him as a dead cert, (she was a
> >>> good looking girl, but nothing came of it as I discovered that her
> >>> views were rather irredeemably woolly and liberal, and I found this
> >>> rather offputting, and she hardly came to any of the meetings
> >>> anyway, and went to some Anglican Church which I don't think I
> >>> would have been very comfortable in). Anyway, he was mobbing me to
> >>> make some prophesy, until I really had had quite enough of this and
> >>> was really on the point of regretting that I had come out there
> >>> with him to be made to feel like a second class Christian, and I
> >>> don't know why, but I said "OK, I prophesy that your future wife
> >>> will be Kirsten". This was a red headed girl in the Lutheran Church
> >>> Jugendgruppe at Steglitz, Berlin, where we were attending.
> >>>
> >>> I don't even know why I said it. I wished I hadn't, but in the worst
> >>> case if it had been wrong, then the meaning is that I had no
> >>> prophesy gift after all.
> >>>
> >>> I lost contact with Andrew Sheldrake over the years, he went his way
> >>> and I went mine, and I tried to make contact with him a couple of
> >>> times but neither of our hearts were particularly in it, as I think
> >>> he was really upset with me when I failed to go to Germany for his
> >>> wedding with Kirsten when I, after all, had prophesied it, but I had
> >>> some other unavoidable engagement that I cannot even remember now
> >>> what it was - most probably I was simply in debt as I was poor as a
> >>> student and probably didn't have the money to go.
> >>>
> >>> I did manage some years down the track to get his phone number, but
> >>> he wasn't massively interested in small talk with me, and I have to
> >>> say I found his manner still rather terse. I myself had gotten into
> >>> pretty bad backsliding and bad behaviour in the mean time, so I
> >>> wasn't in a fit state to really be companionable to another
> >>> Christian anyway.
> >>>
> >>> Since that time I haven't made any more prophesies, as such. Anyone
> >>> who might be remotely interested can try and track down Andrew
> >>> Sheldrake originally from Haywards Heath in Southern England to
> >>> verify my claim to have made a true prophesy concerning his
> >>> marriage, and one can also, if one is remotely interested, sift
> >>> through the 8,700 articles on Usenet in this archive
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?q=+%22Uncle+Davey%22+author:noway%40jose.com&hl=en&lr=&scoring=d
> >>>
> >>> and another 3,000 under other munges that I can supply to those
> >>> still hungry for more, to see if I have made any other prophesies
> >>> since then. I don't remember any, although certainly I have shown on
> >>> occasion much discernment about things that were happening or going
> >>> to happen. I have also been able to make very accurate forecasts
> >>> about the directions of currencies, interest rates and house prices
> >>> in my professional life that helped anyone who listened to them
> >>> prosper, as well as helping me to get the chunk of money which I
> >>> lost in my divorce, which chunk is described and quantified in
> >>> various parts of my posting history, that I don't need to return
> >>> to. I wouldn't call them 'prophesies' though. I've never been able
> >>> to foresee lottery numbers or stuff like that, which would be an
> >>> abuse anyway, and I put the other stuff down to a certain gift of
> >>> discernment.
> >>>
> >>> There are some outstanding predictions that I have made, such that
> >>> Poland will become the first country in history to leave the
> >>> European Union, and that Belarus will be free nine years from now.
> >>> Again these are utterances of discernment, and not prophesies. I
> >>> have also uttered that corals floated during the Flood and that at
> >>> Babel each person received a unique language, rather than a family
> >>> language, but these again are not prophesies, as apart from
> >>> anything else they refer to past events, but we will only know at
> >>> time's end what the truth of the matter is. I have a number of
> >>> these, and I don't want to be unduly dogmatic about any of them, or
> >>> one fine day I might wake up the leader of some dodgy sect, which
> >>> is the last thing I need.
> >>>
> >>> And of course there is prophesy is art and in poetry, and here again
> >>> the meaning of "prophesy" is different to that in the charismata.
> >>> Akhmatova wrote "the poet is always right". This is more in the line
> >>> of self-fulfilling prophesy.
> >>>
> >>> I will say that this current "prophesy" is more a matter of
> >>> "discernment" than real prophesy, as I have no idea whether David
> >>> actually needs your involvement to get saved, I merely have a
> >>> conviction that this probably will happen, with or without you,
> >>> although it would be more encouraging for you to be involved.
> >>>
> >>> If you decide not to be, you shouldn't feel guily, though, as an
> >>> elect person will always come in one way or the other. This is the
> >>> doctrine of Irresistible Grace. I just thought that it would be a
> >>> great encouragement to you to reel him into the Kingdom.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm just curious. I know it's a real spiritual gift. I also know
> >>>> that we can't just speak any old thing into existence, though.
> >>>
> >>> I wouldn't try to do that. It's a matter of discernment, and with
> >>> discernment one thing is certainly true and that is, that people
> >>> ought not to follow another Christian's discernment if it conflicts
> >>> with their own discernment about something in their own lives.
> >>> Discernment about what is good for another is only good if it
> >>> doesn't overrule the discernment they have. If your commitment to
> >>> ignoring David Sienkiewicz is spiritually discerned, then because
> >>> it concerns your life it overrules my discernment that it would be
> >>> good for you to continue.
> >>>
> >>> Otherwise discernment becomes an excuse for Christians to boss each
> >>> other around on the basis of what seems right in their own eyes,
> >>> which is something I am completely against and nothing but trouble
> >>> lies that way. Positive exhortation is fine, but bossiness isn't
> >>> fine, and to keep it that way we Christians need to remember that
> >>> each of us has guidance from the Holy Spirit while we are not
> >>> grieving the Spirit.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> It's gonna take a lot of prayer, a lot of time, a lot of
> >>>>> ego-bruising, a lot of re-adjustment of style, a lot of pain. But
> >>>>> it's gonna be worth it, because that old Jew, as he calls himself,
> >>>>> is gonna get born again. And there's gonna be rejoicing in heaven.
> >>>>> Amen.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Uncle Davey
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe, maybe not. So far, I haven't seen any interest in the
> >>>> person or love of Christ. All I see is scorn, bitterness, and
> >>>> misused energy.
> >>>
> >>> Some people just get born that way, if you get my drift.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> At any rate, if you believe that he is going to get saved, then be
> >>>> persistent in talking to him about Jesus Christ. Or consult God
> >>>> and see which path He would have you take. As for me, I'm done
> >>>> with him. Many times, he has told me that he will "bring down" me
> >>>> and my ministry.
> >>>
> >>> Exactly. He has selected the one of us that his inner soul would
> >>> like to bring him to God, and it isn't me.
> >>>
> >>> This is why I personally think it would be a pity to give up on him,
> >>> and in your shoes I wouldn't, but like I just said, my guidance is
> >>> for my life and your guidance is for your life.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> He
> >>>> takes every issue, no matter how small, and acts like they're HUGE,
> >>>> while demanding countless responses from me, putting me down,
> >>>> painting me in a bad light, etc. He can do this by himself as far
> >>>> as I'm concerned. There was a time when Christ shook the dirt from
> >>>> his shoes and this is my time.
> >>>
> >>> But Christ didn't do that to his worst persecutor, which was Saul of
> >>> Tarsus.
> >>>
> >>> And what we have here is a Saul of Tarsus type, and his persecution
> >>> of us is exactly what I would expect.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I have much work to do. I need to press on and speak to people who
> >>>> are actually willing to talk about Jesus, the mysteries of God, the
> >>>> difference He has made in people's lives, the fruits of the Spirit,
> >>>> the stories of the Bible, etc. You know. The exciting and
> >>>> interesting things! This has been an overall poor place for
> >>>> evangelism because there are precious few believers and far more
> >>>> mockers, scoffers, God-haters, etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> If someone were to repent on usenet, they would probably just
> >>>> leave. I could not see how they could possibly stick around and
> >>>> face the evildoers that curse at Christians. They'd at least need
> >>>> some healthy time away to grow in their faith.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> It's not the greatest place for newborn Christians, Jason. Aqui
> >>> tienes milion veces razon. That's why I'm glad that someone I
> >>> helped a lot when they came to faith in another group which is a
> >>> complete and perfect trolls' picnic area a couple of years ago
> >>> didn't hang around much after.
> >>>
> >>> Nevertheless, let's remember the words of the great missionary C.T.
> >>> Studd, who ran missions to India, China and Africa spanning the 19th
> >>> and 20th centuries. He said:
> >>>
> >>> "Some want to live within the sound
> >>> Of Church or Chapel bell
> >>> I'd rather build a rescue shop
> >>> Within a yard of hell"
> >>>
> >>> I know missionaries who went to the Austrian Tyrol, an area whose
> >>> lifestyle and GDP certainly outstrips that of the part of the UK
> >>> they came from and I know missionaries who went to Nepal where
> >>> people can lose their gonads and other jewels amongst the legendary
> >>> fierce gurkha tribespeople for getting their back up and where
> >>> civil war is raging. I know many others from many other places but
> >>> these are if you like the extremes of cushy mission versus
> >>> non-cushy mission. I would always prefer to support the folks in
> >>> Nepal than these guys in a country where they can be looking down
> >>> the barrel of nothing more heatpacking than a freshly baked
> >>> apfelstrudel. In the range of missionfields, if kaffee und kuchen
> >>> on the pistes by Innsbruck, and some kleine nachtmusik in Salzburg
> >>> after that can described as a 1 in severity, and getting ambushed
> >>> by bandits in the Himalayas can be put at a 10, I'd give this place
> >>> a 2-3 ranking, no higher.
> >>>
> >>>> Now, this has been your mission field for some time, Davey. How
> >>>> has your progress been? If you were to submit your experiences
> >>>> and time spent to a Board, would they be pleased?
> >>>
> >>> I'm not a menpleaser, and no-one finances my efforts but me. I am
> >>> really only interested in whether God is pleased, and that is the
> >>> question we all need to ask ourselves.
> >>>
> >>> In the end of the day salvation is about individuals. That means
> >>> that the shoal of mackerel on the radar approach is necessary to
> >>> get out the Gospel to many people and you correctly, one year ago,
> >>> steered me in the direction of setting up a website that could
> >>> reach more people with the Gospel than my usenet activities. That
> >>> has happened and I have the plan this year to double the content
> >>> that I added this year, so that by the end of 2005 I have 3 times
> >>> the content that I have now.
> >>>
> >>> Nevertheless, although your fine stats machines show that people
> >>> with pretty flags from all over the world have been reading my
> >>> articles, I still need to be able to address people on a direct
> >>> level as well. That means having a lot more patience. Sure, there
> >>> is a chance that some will not have been as effective a use of time
> >>> as others, but I am not the one who can measure that, and neither
> >>> is any board, unless God have mercy on them and tell them the right
> >>> answer.
> >>>
> >>>> I'm asking these questions because your time is precious. You (and
> >>>> I) need to spend our time wisely. If you've spent thousands of
> >>>> hours on usenet with no converts, then perhaps you should shake the
> >>>> dirt from your shoes . . . or at least give yourself some
> >>>> guidelines and parameters regarding posting and reading people's
> >>>> messages; as I have done.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> My parameters for 2005 are this:
> >>>
> >>> In 2004 I posted 3506 messages to Usenet. This will be halved in
> >>> 2005, at least. That means the most messages I can post in 2005 is
> >>> 1753, or 4,79 per day, and this being the 24th so far this year I am
> >>> still on par for that.
> >>>
> >>> My other parameter, to at least double the www. output, I just
> >>> mentioned.
> >>>
> >>>> I'm not encouraging you to give up. I'm just encouraging you to
> >>>> use your time wisely. If you could win 10 people to Christ in
> >>>> January through posting messages in forums, for instance, would
> >>>> you choose that medium over usenet?
> >>>
> >>> What fora are these, and how do we know that more people will see
> >>> them who do not see usenet? Why are they devoid of the kind of
> >>> battle we have here? Censored discourse I have to say is of little
> >>> interest to me.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I've taken my ministry to forums and to ezboards. I'm going to
> >>>> return to them very soon because it will be part of a project I'm
> >>>> doing. I'm looking forward to it, too. For some reason, people
> >>>> are far more respectable and curious about Christ there. Of
> >>>> course, you also run into people that zealously believe odd
> >>>> things. It's good to talk to them too, though.
> >>>>
> >>>> God bless,
> >>>> Jason
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I wish you well with it, and you too.
> >>>
> >>> Uncle Davey
> >>
> >> I know my mission and I'm happily fulfilling it. I pray the same
> >> for you, brother.
> >>
> >> God bless,
> >> Jason
> >>
> >
> > Thanks for that.
> >
> > Nevertheless, I am hoping that even though you won't be speaking to
> > DS, that nevertheless you'll also include him in your list of Usenet
> > prayers, in due course as it is written that we should bless those
> > that curse us and pray from them that despitefully use us. It is also
> > written in the Book of James that the effective, fervent prayer of a
> > righteous man availeth much.
> >
> > God bless,
> >
> > Uncle Davey
>
> Amen, brother Davey. I will - publicly and privately.
>
> Regards,
> Jason
> --
Thanks for that, brother.
I was very blessed by your Journal on
http://jcsm.org/Fasting/FruitVegetables/Journal.htm , by the way.
I would join in, but there's no way I could give up meat in the audit
season.
I'm looking forward to following your efforts over the coming 19 days,
though.
Uncle Davey
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