Uncle Davey wrote:
>> Uncle Davey wrote:
>>> Uzytkownik <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> napisal w wiadomosci
>>> news:1104741408.314216.10300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Jason Gastrich wrote:
>>>>> Davey,
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you have a good weekend?
>>>
>>> It wasn't that magnificent, thanks. I had to go to Tczew on Sunday
>>> for an inventory count, and the road wasn't fantastic, but thanks
>>> for asking.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What's new?
>>>
>>> Not much. Lots of work to do.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Davey posted and said he was leaving the groups for a bit, Jason.
>>>
>>> I didn't last long.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I'm still gonna be posting hardly anything. No time.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wonder what he'll think of
>>>> http://www.geocities.com/hdsienkiewicz/JG_DOC_A.jpg ?
>>>> And isn't email a better place for chit-chat?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'll tell you you what I think, David, I think it was a court error.
>>>
>>> In my experience court clerks make a lot of errors, after all, who's
>>> gonna sue 'em? I remember the patience I had to have with them in my
>>> limited experience.
>>>
>>> I haven't read enough yet since getting back from my inventory count
>>> attendances all over this country to know whether Jason says it is a
>>> court error, but I simply do not believe he would have been dumb
>>> enough to state 200 USD if he knew very well you could get hold of
>>> something that said 2000 USD.
>>>
>>> Uncle Davey
>>
>> Wow, Davey hit the nail on the head. This is exactly right.
>>
>> God bless,
>> Jason
>
> I have the odd bit of discernment here and there as you know, and now
> I have a little message for you, which you are at liberty to take on
> or not depending on whether the Spirit confirms these words to you.
>
> David Sienkiewicz is not so far gone as to forge changes to
> documents. This is something he will not do, according to my reading
> of him, nevertheless he is so prejudiced against the evangelical side
> that he automatically assumes some blame on your part when the
> document says something other than what you expected it to.
>
> My reading of the way Durango Bill has added this to his site is that
> he actually knows very well that it was a court error, and is
> slagging you off for saying 'no' when you I dare say were fairly sure
> that the note said 200USD because you hadn't noticed that it came
> back with an error on saying 2000 USD. This has been taken in a
> recent post by Sienkiewicz to mean that Bill also thinks you were
> lying about the 200USD, but here again he shows his prejudice, as the
> way Bill phrases it gives the game away that he knew it was only an
> oversight on your part. Otherwise he would have stressed the matter
> differently.
Wise words. My thoughts exactly.
> David's got you lumped in with the Benny Hinns and their ilk, which
> is a great pity for two reasons, firstly because you are not of their
> ilk, and are truly God's saved child, even with all your faults - no
> bigger than mine I hasten to add - and this I know because it takes
> an experienced person from within Evangelical Christianity to discern
> the difference, they cannot.
Good point.
Benny Hinn is a fraud for a number of reasons. This can be verified at
http://apologeticsindex.org. In fact, it's a huge archive or frauds.
> That is why you have to be more careful
> in the way some things are presented. You have the right, as someone
> who has dedicated a full-time level of work to evangelism, to be
> supported in your cost of living by other believers, and this is
> absolutely no different to the priests of catholicism and the vicars
> of anglicanism that they would not give a second thought to and whom
> they do not attack as fraudulent because they live from the gifts of
> believers. They are sensitive about it, my suggestion is that you are
> simply up front about the fact that you do live from the love gifts
> of God's people in the same way as other full time Christian workers
> do, and be a bit careful with the way you present certain things that
> help you make a living. You can see how far they go to misunderstand
> this and behave as though you were building marble halls on the backs
> of these donations, rather than them being an essential part of any
> full-time ministry, and no different to the money raising that goes
> on in any church that has full-time ministers.
I'm not sure what this has to do with anything. I suppose you thought it
was pertinent.
> The second reason why it's a pity is that if all this energy were
> being given by David Sienkiewicz in exposing real religious
> charlatans, then you and I would probably be among the first to
> applaud it.
Amen.
> It's true that we are only promised that the sheep and
> the goats in the Church are separated at the end of time, but the
> occasional exposure of a wolf in sheep's clothing here and there -
> even by a non-Christian, is something I would not get in the way of.
Amen.
> As it is he is like someone pulling at your fleece, and although it
> doesn't come off whenever there is a cry of pain from the sheep he
> thinks is suspect he says "hmnn. that sounded a bit wolfy, that did,
> better yank some more". The more he tugs away at that fleece, and
> even some of the hairs come of in his hand, the more he thinks he is
> about to get the fleece off and reveal the bristly grey lupine coat
> beneath, but all he is doing is confirming his prejudices. That is,
> until they fall, which, God willing, they will, and he will see
> himself an imperfect man fighting another imperfect man for the
> simple reason that this other imperfect man has been received by God
> through Christ.
Good words.
> Maybe this is the way God is calling him. Maybe he has to go through
> this wrestling match with you in order to get a blessing. Israel was
> always a wrestler, and he will not let you go unless God bless him,
> even if it means a metaphorical wound on the thigh. This is of course
> not good news for you as the one who gets to play the role of the
> angel in that Genesis 32 scenario, but in the end if you can turn his
> trying to cause you a penalty into you causing him a Peniel, then
> everyone is blessed in the end. That's why I think it may have been
> hasty for you to promise not to speak to him. He needs mercy and
> love, in the end, like every sinner. And the gospel is as we read to
> the Jew first and then to the Greek. It's always a priviledge to be
> able to take God's own truth to God's own people. I think that, hard
> as it is, you're gonna need to engage him. My "prophesy", if you
> wanna call it that, is that David Sienkiewicz is actually in the
> Elect, but will only realise that against his will and will only be
> brought to the Mercy Seat a-kickin' and a-scratchin' and
> a-fleece-pullin'. Ignoring him isn't gonna do it. If you go fishing,
> there's no point in cutting your line when there's a marlin on the
> end of it. You've gotta reel that big fish in. With a really big fish
> it can take other fishermen to hold the rod with you and stop it
> getting yanked out of your hands, and I can do that bit, but it's
> your fish.
I have been thinking about this prophesy a bit. Do you have the gift of
prophesy? Have you prophesied other things that have happened? Have you
ever made a false prophesy?
I'm just curious. I know it's a real spiritual gift. I also know that we
can't just speak any old thing into existence, though.
> It's gonna take a lot of prayer, a lot of time, a lot of
> ego-bruising, a lot of re-adjustment of style, a lot of pain. But
> it's gonna be worth it, because that old Jew, as he calls himself, is
> gonna get born again. And there's gonna be rejoicing in heaven. Amen.
>
> Uncle Davey
Maybe, maybe not. So far, I haven't seen any interest in the person or love
of Christ. All I see is scorn, bitterness, and misused energy.
At any rate, if you believe that he is going to get saved, then be
persistent in talking to him about Jesus Christ. Or consult God and see
which path He would have you take. As for me, I'm done with him. Many
times, he has told me that he will "bring down" me and my ministry. He
takes every issue, no matter how small, and acts like they're HUGE, while
demanding countless responses from me, putting me down, painting me in a bad
light, etc. He can do this by himself as far as I'm concerned. There was a
time when Christ shook the dirt from his shoes and this is my time.
I have much work to do. I need to press on and speak to people who are
actually willing to talk about Jesus, the mysteries of God, the difference
He has made in people's lives, the fruits of the Spirit, the stories of the
Bible, etc. You know. The exciting and interesting things! This has been
an overall poor place for evangelism because there are precious few
believers and far more mockers, scoffers, God-haters, etc.
If someone were to repent on usenet, they would probably just leave. I
could not see how they could possibly stick around and face the evildoers
that curse at Christians. They'd at least need some healthy time away to
grow in their faith.
Now, this has been your mission field for some time, Davey. How has your
progress been? If you were to submit your experiences and time spent to a
Board, would they be pleased?
I'm asking these questions because your time is precious. You (and I) need
to spend our time wisely. If you've spent thousands of hours on usenet with
no converts, then perhaps you should shake the dirt from your shoes . . . or
at least give yourself some guidelines and parameters regarding posting and
reading people's messages; as I have done.
I'm not encouraging you to give up. I'm just encouraging you to use your
time wisely. If you could win 10 people to Christ in January through
posting messages in forums, for instance, would you choose that medium over
usenet?
I've taken my ministry to forums and to ezboards. I'm going to return to
them very soon because it will be part of a project I'm doing. I'm looking
forward to it, too. For some reason, people are far more respectable and
curious about Christ there. Of course, you also run into people that
zealously believe odd things. It's good to talk to them too, though.
God bless,
Jason
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