Uzytkownik "Frank Pericope" <frank.pericope@oneimage.com> napisal w
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> "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message
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> > Uzytkownik "Livid" <barthfv@telus.net> napisal w wiadomosci
> > news:a95611ff.0404070947.1f316607@posting.google.com...
> > > ethelthrogmorton@hotmail.com (Southside of Scotland) wrote in message
> > news:<7f288f0.0403200544.2cdfb81e@posting.google.com>...
> > > > "Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org> wrote in message
> > news:<ybr5c.32507$4o3.24275@twister.socal.rr.com>...
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> > > > >
> > > > > Serving Him,
> > > > > Jason
>
> [misspelled 'himself']
>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Funny isn't it, there are more than a few fundamentalist christians
> > > > who think that they can convert non-believers to their religion by
> > > > using abuse and hatred. When the boot is on the other foot it
becomes
> > > > persecution.
> > > >
> > > > I don't hate christians, I just hate the fact that as I'm trying to
> > > > get through my life in an non-hating, non-judgemental way, living by
> > > > doing to others as I would like done to myself, I get judged by
people
> > > > who think that because they cherry pick their way through a 2000
year
> > > > old book of contentious authorage they have a right to judge me and
> > > > the decisions I've made in my life.
> > >
> > >
> > > As a gay man who has seen endless atrocities at the hands of
> > > innumerable right-wing christians, I couldn't agree more.Those who
> > > claim to have the one and only truth, are the terrorists we see today
> > > , be they muslim or christian.
> > > I fiercely defend religious liberty.But the very pinnacle of hypocrisy
> > > is to "cherry pick" items out of the Old Testament and attempt to
> > > foist them on others.Believe what you will,but do not attempt to
> > > incorporate your beliefs into law. Then there is the phenomenon of
> > > creating perpetually,the negative mindset that leads directly to
> > > anti-gay violence & murder.The mother of a young college student who
> > > was murdered in Laramie,Wyoming,said afterward, that she didn't blame
> > > the young men who killed her son so much as society for giving them
> > > permission to do so .Guess which segment of the population that would
> > > be ?
> > > Livid
> >
> > Not us, that's for sure, so maybe she should make like OJ and go after
the
> > real killers.
> >
> > Uncle Davey
>
> Unlike OJ, she didn't kill the victim. Unlike OJ, Matthew Shepards'
> killers have been caught.
>
> But unlike Livid, you don't have a clue, do you?
>
> Gee, Davey, tell me: how do you feel about gays and lesbians? Do you
> think they should be allowed to marry? Do you think they are sinners
> of a different nature than you or I?
I think my sins are no better than theirs, but I do feel that marriage is
ordained between men and women. I have no objections to the same tax and
inheritance law priviledges being applied to their partnerships as to ours
in democratic society, but I feel that they should look for another word
other than marriage to describe their civil unions. I feel that they are
stealing from us when they apply the term marriage to their unions. If we
allow that, then why not three person marriages with bi-sexuals, or even
group marriages? Where's the cut-off? As far as I am concerned civil society
can even recognise some of these less orthodox three way unions as well and
give them tax and inheritance breaks, but please don't use the Biblical term
for them, use another term.
I also am not in favour of allowing adoption of kids by homosexual couples.
If they can do deals amongst themselves with the lesbians and obtain
children through these deals, then I would not reduce their freedom to keep
those children, but I would not put them in the adoption system.
That's probably not toleration enough for your liking, but it's all the
compromise I am comfortable with, and already enough to make some believers
wince at me for going too far.
> Do you think making a joke about a murder committed by folks using
> your religions' morals as justification is funny?
I think my reaction to Livid's post was justified. He says that a gay was
killed, which was obviously not by evangelical christians as we are not
called to go killing gays, but his mother blames another group, guess who,
rather than the boys killers.
If the gay guys own mother wanted to use his death as propaganda against
christians rather than blame the ones who actually did it, then I truly feel
sorry for that dead guy, I really do.
I find it insulting that we should be somehow smeared with a murder that is
nothing to do with us. I thought it was a low tactic, and I felt free to
ridicule it. I'm not ridiculing the dead man. If everyone were like me, he
would not be dead.
Uncle Davey
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