"Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message news:<c4p34t$s0t$0@pita.alt.net>...
> Uzytkownik "Frank Pericope" <frank.pericope@oneimage.com> napisal w
> wiadomosci news:dc55e47f.0404040515.46fbda6d@posting.google.com...
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> > We're all capable of righteousness, as well as unrighteousness.
> >
> > - F.
>
> When it says 'there is none righteous, no not one', that means that by
> nature we actually aren't capable of righteousness.
Davey, that's a song lyric. I understand it has that meaning for you,
but unless you have some authority/source no one else has (Gastrich,
perhaps?) neither Romans nor Psalms means what you want it to mean.
Though it explains a lot if you think you are incapable of good
behavior without God's direct intervention.
>
> If God enables us to act righteously in any case, then that's to be thankful
> for.
>
> In any event, in practice Christians often are a lot worse than atheists and
> people who believe in religions without the Saviour, after all, Christians
> are under attack in a way they are not.
Oh phooey. I am not under attack. None of the Christians I know are
under attack. And most Christians who think themselves under attack
would, I think, find their way much easier if they would but stop
mind-tackling unbelievers and simply do their best to live the values
espoused by Christ.
For example -- think evolution's wrong? Fine. Live without it. But
building sandcastles in the mind and trying to sell them as real
estate in public is going to lead to some derision. As you have seen.
Ideally, knowing the love and the
> forgiveness of God, we should be walking head and shoulders about other men
> and women in goodness, but in actual fact this seems very hard to achieve
> and is very rare.
I agree it is difficult. But too many of us use that as an excuse for
our own behavior. And if one's public behavior brings significant
levels of condemnation from both believers and unbelievers, perhaps
one should consider 'cutting off' that hand and withdrawing from
public forums until one can behave in a righteous way--at least more
often than not.
But that's just my opinion.
>
> I know I can't seem to achieve it, myself. I couldn't even listen through
> the second sermon this morning without dreaming up a new pancake recipe.
Godly behavior does not, it seems to me, come from listening to
sermons. IMHO, organized religion does as much spiritual damage as it
does good. You might find yourself more interested if your authority
is Christ rather than that guy standing up in front of the crowd.
You are perfectly capable of leading a goodly life, Uncle Davey. Quit
making excuses for failing to do so. "The devil made me do it" is a
punch line, not an alibi.
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>
> Which just goes to show we get better than we deserve.
>
> Uncle Davey
Which may also show you that you'd do better publishing pancake
recipies than spiritual ones.
- F.
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