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From: david.sienkiewicz@attbi.com (David Sienkiewicz)
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Subject: Re: Legal Action Against Jason Gastrich and his Ministry
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"Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message news:<c4gjia$ft1$0@pita.alt.net>...
> > "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message
> news:c4fhvs$ebk$0@pita.alt.net...
> > >
> > > > "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message
> news:c4ff29$80s$0@pita.alt.net...
> > > > >
> > > > > Uzytkownik "Tom McDonald" <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> napisal w
> wiadomosci
> > > > > news:106mc7kjqaof4a3@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > > Uncle Davey wrote:
> > > >
> > > > < snip >
> > > >
> > > > > > In this case, there are valid questions about Jason Gastrich's
> > > > > > ethical and legal propriety. A Christ-like witness would give
> > > > > > the cloak with the coat, and would go the extra mile, to be
> > > > > > above reproach. Jason seems to be unwilling even to consider
> > > > > > that he might be bringing disrepute to his Lord; and in fact
> > > > > > seems to feel martyred by that suggestion.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let Jason be Christ-like, and most of his problems would fall
> > > > > > away like autumn leaves in a cleansing breeze.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tom McDonald
> > > > >
> > > > > Well that's what I thought at first, when I also rebuked him, but
> then I
> > > > > felt so bad about it afterwards that I thought that God must be
> telling
> me
> > > > > to give the guy some support.
> > > > >
> > > > > So I did.
> > > >
> > > > What if it wasn't God, Davey?
> > > >
> > > > If the Devil can presume to tempt Jesus, as your own scriptures tell
> > > > you, is he certainly not capable of tempting you?
> > > >
> > > > And since you're not Jesus, isn't it possible that you can even be
> > > > fooled by his mechanizations?
> > > >
> > > > Jason is self-serving and dishonest to the core. That's pretty
> > > > obvious. He casts a shadow on the faith and brings discredit to your
> > > > "savior."
> > > >
> > > > These are not my beliefs, Davey - they're YOURS - and your own
> > > > scriptures tell you to have nothing to do with the darkness, right?
> > > >
> > > > Jason confuses love of himself with the love for Jesus - to him, they
> > > > are one and the same thing.
> > > >
> > > > But Jason is an intellectual misfit - a child who can't discern the
> > > > difference. His immature outlook is what prompts him to commit the
> > > > clearly dishonest and deceitful acts that he commits and then justify
> > > > them (or ignore them) under "once-saved-always-saved."
> > > >
> > > > He's also a charlatan who always looks for the easy way out - hence
> > > > the reliance and trumpeting on easily obtained "degrees" that can be
> > > > purchased. You told me elsewhere that you wished you could be a
> > > > minister, but you don't have the gifts.
> > > >
> > > > Jason, it seems, is someone you view as a minister. Are deception,
> > > > dishonest, arrogance and cowardice the gifts of a minister?
> > > >
> > > > Jason brings shame to the christian ministry, as he brings shame to
> > > > you.
> > > >
> > > > For Jason, there is little hope. He's an arrogant little boy. But
> > > > you? Despite your implacable ego and your general phoniness, I think
> > > > there's hope for you. If you are truly a christian, you would condemn
> > > > Jason as one of those who would say "Lord, Lord," but lack sincerity
> > > > and be dismissed from the presence of God. You would see him as those
> > > > of us with objective eyes see him - as nothing more than the kind of
> > > > moneychanger Jesus drove from the temple.
> > > >
> > > > In short, Davey, you would set your own house in order.
> > >
> > > We'll talk about it more when I see you.
> >
> > We'll talk about it NOW.
>
> Go ahead, you can start without me.
I already did.
Did you have a reply other than to try to avoid the issue as we see
above?
> Uncle Davey, (ps. did you slam your fist on the desk when you wrote that?)
Not at all.
Of course, you couldn't pass up the attempt at a little rhetoric,
Davey, but the emphasis was based on the fact that you do not hold any
power here; and what is going on with your reply is clearly evasion.
That's fine with me, and it falls in line perfectly with what has gone
on before, but if you continue to avoid the issue in this way, you're
certainly presenting a dishonest image.
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