Uzytkownik "rogue" <rogue719@hotmail.com> napisal w wiadomosci
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> "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > JERRY
> > > Its a statement drawn up by the nations of the UN one what constituted
> > > human rights, not what constitutes a legitimate marriage.
>
> >DAVEY
> > Earlier you were arguing that the Universal Declaration allows for
> > homosexual marriage, and now, failing that, you try to say it's not
> > relevant.
>
> JERRY
> I never said that it allows for homosexual marriage.
>
> My first statement on the subject:
>
> JERRY
> It's not talking about that either. Here is the clause itself
>
> Article 16
> Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race,
> nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a
> family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during
> marriage and at its dissolution.
> Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of
> the intending spouses.
> The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is
> entitled to protection by society and the State.
>
> JERRY
> This does not mean that ONLY men and women may marry. The UN does not
> presume to make such statements for the member countries. This is a
> proclamation of what the UN considers basic rights. The discussion
> point being placed is not about same sex marriage or defining marriage
> as only between a man and a woman. The purpose of this statement is
> to point out that both men and women (since in some countries, women
> can't make a decision like this for themselves) have the right to
> marry if they are of age.
>
>
>
> JERRY
> Here is my second statement to you on it:
>
> >DAVEY
> > You're twisting the text to suit yourself.
>
> JERRY
> No, actually that's the way I interpret it. After all, Denmark has
> gay marriage and not only has it not "downgraded" the state of the
> heterosexual family, but they didn't get drummed out of the UN either.
> This document is a UN statement of basic rights. It is not designed
> to be a legal document that says the UN won't recognize gay marriage.
> The purpose of the document is to state the basic rights of all
> people.
>
>
> JERRY
> Is this the place where I put that statement about reading
> comprehension back into the discussion? ;-)
Denmark, incidentally, has a legitimate paedophile club and also jailed one
Briton for taking vengeance on someone who buggered his child.
I think we may take Denmark and safely dismiss the whole country as det
stort verdens roevhuld og en paradis for barnebuggerner.
Med venlig hilsen
Uncle Davey
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