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From: "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com>
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Subject: Re: 12 Reasons Why Gay People Should Not Be Allowed To Marry
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 10:37:02 +0100
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Uzytkownik "rogue" <rogue719@hotmail.com> napisal w wiadomosci
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> Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com> wrote in message
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> > On 4 Mar 2004 14:00:24 -0800, rogue719@hotmail.com (rogue) wrote:
> >
> > >"Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message
news:<c26vco$273$0@pita.alt.net>...
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Please see article 16 of the UN Universal Declaration of Human
Rights.
> > >>
> > >> It talks of men and women of full age marrying:
> > >> http://www.unhchr.ch/udhr/lang/eng.htm
> > >>
> > >> It says nothing of homosexual unions and says that the family is the
> > >> foundation of society.
> > >
> > >JERRY
> > >It's not talking about that either. Here is the clause itself
> > >
> > >Article 16
> > >Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race,
> > >nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a
> > >family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during
> > >marriage and at its dissolution.
> > >Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of
> > >the intending spouses.
> > >The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is
> > >entitled to protection by society and the State.
> > >
> > >JERRY
> > >This does not mean that ONLY men and women may marry. The UN does not
> > >presume to make such statements for the member countries. This is a
> > >proclamation of what the UN considers basic rights. The discussion
> > >point being placed is not about same sex marriage or defining marriage
> > >as only between a man and a woman. The purpose of this statement is
> > >to point out that both men and women (since in some countries, women
> > >can't make a decision like this for themselves) have the right to
> > >marry if they are of age.
> >
> > BB
> > You have got to be kidding. It says man and woman and family. A
> > family consists of a daddy, a mommy, and a baby.
>
> JERRY
> Only in your narrow viewpoint, BB.
>
> >BB
> >Please cite the
> > "purpose statement" you make reference to. The above article does not
> > speak of the right of a man and a man or a woman and a woman or a man
> > and a child or a man and a dog; it speaks of a man and a woman in a
> > marriage relationship.
>
> JERRY
> No, here is what it says:
>
> Universal Declaration of Human Rights
> Preamble
> Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and
> inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the
> foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,
>
> Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in
> barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the
> advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech
> and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the
> highest aspiration of the common people,
>
> Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have
> recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and
> oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,
>
> Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly
> relations between nations,
>
> Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter
> reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and
> worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and
> have determined to promote social progress and better standards of
> life in larger freedom,
>
> Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in
> cooperation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal
> respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms,
>
> Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the
> greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,
>
> Now, therefore,
>
> The General Assembly,
>
> Proclaims this Universal Declaration of Human Rights as a common
> standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end
> that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this
> Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education
> to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive
> measures, national and international, to secure their universal and
> effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member
> States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their
> jurisdiction.
>
> JERRY
> Its a statement drawn up by the nations of the UN one what constituted
> human rights, not what constitutes a legitimate marriage.
Earlier you were arguing that the Universal Declaration allows for
homosexual marriage, and now, failing that, you try to say it's not
relevant.
Uncle Davey
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