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From: rogue719@hotmail.com (rogue)
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Subject: Re: 12 Reasons Why Gay People Should Not Be Allowed To Marry
Date: 5 Mar 2004 11:07:57 -0800
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Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com> wrote in message news:<00eg40p2trk3rk5hl45nlebe62q5b6pqt2@4ax.com>...
> On 4 Mar 2004 14:00:24 -0800, rogue719@hotmail.com (rogue) wrote:
>
> >"Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message news:<c26vco$273$0@pita.alt.net>...
> >
> >>
> >> Please see article 16 of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
> >>
> >> It talks of men and women of full age marrying:
> >> http://www.unhchr.ch/udhr/lang/eng.htm
> >>
> >> It says nothing of homosexual unions and says that the family is the
> >> foundation of society.
> >
> >JERRY
> >It's not talking about that either. Here is the clause itself
> >
> >Article 16
> >Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race,
> >nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a
> >family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during
> >marriage and at its dissolution.
> >Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of
> >the intending spouses.
> >The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is
> >entitled to protection by society and the State.
> >
> >JERRY
> >This does not mean that ONLY men and women may marry. The UN does not
> >presume to make such statements for the member countries. This is a
> >proclamation of what the UN considers basic rights. The discussion
> >point being placed is not about same sex marriage or defining marriage
> >as only between a man and a woman. The purpose of this statement is
> >to point out that both men and women (since in some countries, women
> >can't make a decision like this for themselves) have the right to
> >marry if they are of age.
>
> BB
> You have got to be kidding. It says man and woman and family. A
> family consists of a daddy, a mommy, and a baby.
JERRY
Only in your narrow viewpoint, BB.
>BB
>Please cite the
> "purpose statement" you make reference to. The above article does not
> speak of the right of a man and a man or a woman and a woman or a man
> and a child or a man and a dog; it speaks of a man and a woman in a
> marriage relationship.
JERRY
No, here is what it says:
Universal Declaration of Human Rights
Preamble
Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and
inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the
foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,
Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in
barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the
advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech
and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the
highest aspiration of the common people,
Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have
recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and
oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,
Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly
relations between nations,
Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter
reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and
worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and
have determined to promote social progress and better standards of
life in larger freedom,
Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in
cooperation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal
respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms,
Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the
greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,
Now, therefore,
The General Assembly,
Proclaims this Universal Declaration of Human Rights as a common
standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end
that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this
Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education
to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive
measures, national and international, to secure their universal and
effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member
States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their
jurisdiction.
JERRY
Its a statement drawn up by the nations of the UN one what constituted
human rights, not what constitutes a legitimate marriage.
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