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From: rogue719@hotmail.com (rogue)
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Subject: Re: 12 Reasons Why Gay People Should Not Be Allowed To Marry
Date: 4 Mar 2004 21:16:54 -0800
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"Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message news:<c2899q$23k$0@pita.alt.net>...
> Uzytkownik "rogue" <rogue719@hotmail.com> napisal w wiadomosci
> news:6e14bcdc.0403041400.67b50b99@posting.google.com...
> > "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message
> news:<c26vco$273$0@pita.alt.net>...
> >
> > >
> > > Please see article 16 of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
> > >
> > > It talks of men and women of full age marrying:
> > > http://www.unhchr.ch/udhr/lang/eng.htm
> > >
> > > It says nothing of homosexual unions and says that the family is the
> > > foundation of society.
> >
> > JERRY
> > It's not talking about that either. Here is the clause itself
> >
> > Article 16
> > Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race,
> > nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a
> > family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during
> > marriage and at its dissolution.
> > Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of
> > the intending spouses.
> > The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is
> > entitled to protection by society and the State.
> >
> > JERRY
> > This does not mean that ONLY men and women may marry. The UN does not
> > presume to make such statements for the member countries. This is a
> > proclamation of what the UN considers basic rights. The discussion
> > point being placed is not about same sex marriage or defining marriage
> > as only between a man and a woman. The purpose of this statement is
> > to point out that both men and women (since in some countries, women
> > can't make a decision like this for themselves) have the right to
> > marry if they are of age.
>DAVEY
> You're twisting the text to suit yourself.
JERRY
No, actually that's the way I interpret it. After all, Denmark has
gay marriage and not only has it not "downgraded" the state of the
heterosexual family, but they didn't get drummed out of the UN either.
This document is a UN statement of basic rights. It is not designed
to be a legal document that says the UN won't recognize gay marriage.
The purpose of the document is to state the basic rights of all
people.
> DAVEY
> It's ridiculous to assume that it meant that both men and women have the
> right to decide to marry or not marry.
JERRY
Why is it ridiculous? Because it doesn't agree with your
interpretation? In some countries, women don't have the right legally
to make decisions. Those patriarchal (you can insert Muslim here, if
you wish) cultures don't want women to have any rights at all. You
can use the Taliban for a valid example.
> DAVEY
> It is obvious that single sexes cannot found a family, and that is what
> follows in the same breath.
JERRY
But Davey, we have thousands of single sex families here in the
states. They just aren't codified as a legal marriage. It doesn't
mean it's not a legal family.
> DAVEY
> The UN is not about pervert-enabling, sorry and all that.
JERRY
Who's a pervert, Davey? The American Psychiatric Association has
already stated that being gay is not a mental illness, or a mental
disorder, and who is harmed by it? Your bigotry is showing. It's
kind of ugly.
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