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From: Ken Shaw <none.of@your.biz>
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Subject: Re: Any Puter Experts That Can Help
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 21:22:25 +0000 (UTC)
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Uncle Davey wrote:
> news:H3L1c.72725$aH3.2228401@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
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>>Uncle Davey wrote:
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>>>news:892cb437.0403040818.62666953@posting.google.com...
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>>>
>>>>"Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message
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>>>news:<c271qt$7dn$0@pita.alt.net>...
>>>
>>>
>>>>>snipped>
>>>>>That's about right, for a hoatzin, isn't it?
>>>>>
>>>>>Uncle Davey
>>>>
>>>>Very amusing Davey, but the joke's wearing a bit thin.
>>>>
>>>>RF (who appart from having four limbs, hair, a four-chambered heart,
>>>>external genitals, nipples, a lower jaw consisting of a single bone on
>>>>each side, a large (if occasionally underused) brain, and a host of
>>>>other features which distinguish him from a herring, is a herring)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>heh heh.
>>>
>>>okay. what does this mean:
>>>
>>>"10) Neck attaches to skull from the rear as in dinosaurs not from below
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> as
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>>>in modern birds.
>>>The site of neck attachement (from below) is characteristic in birds,
>>>_Archaeopteryx_ does not have this character, but is the same as
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> theropod
>
>>>dinosaurs:
>>>"Notice that this coelurosaurian-like neck extended back from the rear
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> of
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>>>the skull in _Archaeopteryx_ - as it does in coelurosaurs [theropod
>>>dinosaurs], rather than from beneath as in later birds." (Ostrom 1976,
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> p.
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>>>137).
>>>
>>>Skull and brain of Archae is basically reptilian and is not "totally
>>>birdlike" (contrary to a certain creationist's claim)."
>>>
>>>What does your talkoranges faq mean when it says birds skulls attach
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> from
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>>>beneath and not from the rear? Beneath/ to the rear of what?
>>>
>>
>>It means how the skull attaches to the neck. In neornithes the neck
>>attaches to the bottom of the skull while in theropods the neck attaches
>>to the skull from behind.
>>
>>Here is a picture of a theropod skeleton showing how it's head and neck
>>connect:
>>http://photo2.si.edu/dino/allosr.gif
>>
>>and here is a birds skeleton for comparison:
>>http://www.amonline.net.au/birds/gallery/skeletons/018.htm
>>
>>Ken
>>
>
> I can't really see the difference.
Try looking at these images in better light or with your glasses on.
how do these two joinings relate to the
> other organs, such as the veins and the oesophagus?
>
For that you are going to have to talk to someone more expert than I am.
John Harshman is an ornithologist and would likely either know or be
able to point you to other resources.
Ken
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