> In article <c245k7$a68$0@pita.alt.net>, noway@jose.com [Uncle Davey]
wrote...
> >news:lJdMeWAqpNRAFwG3@meden.demon.co.uk...
> >> In article <c21lj0$qhq$1@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu>, mel turner
<mturner@sni
> >> pthis.acpub.duke.edu> writes
> >> >
> >> >If superficial similarities are all it takes, then I suppose the
> >> >Paleozoic fossil armored ostracoderms and placoderms were all
> >> >really _Corydoras_ catfishes? Or are most of them Loricariids?
> >> >
> >> If Archaepteryxes are hoatzins, then he's a raccoon.
>
> Is it the masks, and the dabbling interest in aquatic life?
>
> >You raise a good point, how many loricariid fossils are there?
>
> More than zero; I recall finding refs to some when looking for
> info on Corydoras fossils for you in that thread a while back.
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=bsaab6%241g9%241%40gargoyle.oit.duke.edu
>
> http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/FamilySummary.cfm?ID=157 :
>
> "First Fossil Record: Ref: Berg, L.S..1958"
>
> Berg, L.S., 1958. System der rezenten und fossilen Fischartigen und
> Fische.. VEB Verlag der Wissenschaften, Berlin.
>
> [same ref is cited for first fossil record of Callichthyidae]
>
>
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/links/doi/10.1046/j.1525-142x.2001.003002104.x
> /full/
>
> "and fossil armored catfish (callichthyids or loricariids)
> from the Eocene/Oligocene of South America ( Bardack 1961;
> Malabarba 1988)."
>
> Bardack, D. 1961. New Tertiary teleosts from Argentina.
> Am. Mus. Novit. 2041: 1 27.
>
> Malabarba, M. C. De S. L. 1988. Loricarid dermal plate and pectoral
> fin spines from the Tertiary of Sao Paulo, Brazil (Osteichthyes,
> Siluriformes).Comun. Mus. Cienc. PUCRS, Ser. Zool.,
> Porto Alegre 1: 5 12.
>
> http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/data/301/5640/1708/DC1/1
>
> lists Miocene specimens of
>
> Loricariidae Acanthicus sp.
>
> Callichthyiidae Oxydoras sp.
>
> http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/Tropical/ucamara/CV_Reis_2001.pdf :
>
> Reis, R.E. 1998, Systematics, biogeography,and the fossl record of the
> Callichthyidae: a review of the available data. Pp. 351-362 in Malabarba,
et
> al.(eds.) Phylogeny and Classification of Neoptropical Fishes, Edipucrs,
Porto
> Alegre, 603 pp.
>
> cheers
>
Cheers to you too.
Once again, not very many fossils seem to have been located bearing in mind
the toughness of the exoskeleton of Loricariids and the length of time they
must ahve been around.
Uncle Davey
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