In article <c245k7$a68$0@pita.alt.net>, noway@jose.com [Uncle Davey] wrote...
>news:lJdMeWAqpNRAFwG3@meden.demon.co.uk...
>> In article <c21lj0$qhq$1@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu>, mel turner <mturner@sni
>> pthis.acpub.duke.edu> writes
>> >
>> >If superficial similarities are all it takes, then I suppose the
>> >Paleozoic fossil armored ostracoderms and placoderms were all
>> >really _Corydoras_ catfishes? Or are most of them Loricariids?
>> >
>> If Archaepteryxes are hoatzins, then he's a raccoon.
Is it the masks, and the dabbling interest in aquatic life?
>You raise a good point, how many loricariid fossils are there?
More than zero; I recall finding refs to some when looking for
info on Corydoras fossils for you in that thread a while back.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=bsaab6%241g9%241%40gargoyle.oit.duke.edu
http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/FamilySummary.cfm?ID=157 :
"First Fossil Record: Ref: Berg, L.S..1958"
Berg, L.S., 1958. System der rezenten und fossilen Fischartigen und
Fische.. VEB Verlag der Wissenschaften, Berlin.
[same ref is cited for first fossil record of Callichthyidae]
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/links/doi/10.1046/j.1525-142x.2001.003002104.x
/full/
"and fossil armored catfish (callichthyids or loricariids)
from the Eocene/Oligocene of South America ( Bardack 1961;
Malabarba 1988)."
Bardack, D. 1961. New Tertiary teleosts from Argentina.
Am. Mus. Novit. 2041: 1 27.
Malabarba, M. C. De S. L. 1988. Loricarid dermal plate and pectoral
fin spines from the Tertiary of Sao Paulo, Brazil (Osteichthyes,
Siluriformes).Comun. Mus. Cienc. PUCRS, Ser. Zool.,
Porto Alegre 1: 5 12.
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/data/301/5640/1708/DC1/1
lists Miocene specimens of
Loricariidae Acanthicus sp.
Callichthyiidae Oxydoras sp.
http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/Tropical/ucamara/CV_Reis_2001.pdf :
Reis, R.E. 1998, Systematics, biogeography,and the fossl record of the
Callichthyidae: a review of the available data. Pp. 351-362 in Malabarba, et
al.(eds.) Phylogeny and Classification of Neoptropical Fishes, Edipucrs, Porto
Alegre, 603 pp.
cheers
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