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Subject: Re: So few Jewish creationists ? why?
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> In talk.origins I read this message from
> branchofjesse@hotmail.com (Jerzy Jakubowski):
>
> >The voice of the turtle was heard in the land, when
> >"\"Rev Dr\" Lenny Flank" <lflank_nospam@ij.net> wrote in message
news:<403e8884$1_4@corp.newsgroups.com>...
> >> Uncle Davey wrote:
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>So what's the point in their converting, Davey. Jews are Jews,
right?
> >> >>So what difference does it make if they convert to Christianity. Why
> >> >>bother.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Because being Jewish on its own doesn't bring sonship to God, or
salvation,
> >> > according to Evangelical Christian Theology.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> So how does converting to Christianity and still being Jewish help,
Davey.
> >>
> >> What's the difference between Jews and Jews.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Being a Christian means that you trust Christ for your salvation.
> >You don't stop being part of the Jewish nation. Jews who don't yet
> >trust Christ are trusting something else for their salvation, probably
> >works, and works don't work. They are like the kids of Christians who
> >are not yet converted, they have a blessing via their parentage, but
> >do not yet know personal salvation. They need to know Christ, who,
> >being a Jew himself, will not make them one iota less Jewish than they
> >were before they knew him.
> >
> Wrong, not true, and not even close. Christians are not part of
> Judaism. We don't accept them as Jews and don't want them unless
> they choose to convert, and even then we don't make it easy. We
> reject your Christ as messiah; ours doesn't have to die to do his
> thing. We are not your children, in a way we are more like your
> parents.
1. I didn't say you were our children. I said the position is analogous to
the children of a Christian home.
2. You don't get to decide who's Jewish and who isn't, God does, and Jews do
n't speak with one voice on that topic anyway.
>
> I suspect Jesus would be horrified by what Christians have done
> in his name.
>
Absolutely not.
Not "would be". IS horrified. He sees it all and He will judge it all.
> I also predict Uncle will reply with some nasty misogynist
> remark. If I am wrong, it is because he can't stand for me to be
> right.
I love women, actually, probably too much, if the truth be known, and I wish
more of them were right, including yourself.
>
> [snip]
>
> Susan Silberstein
> "Mister Charles Darwin had the gall to ask..."
> -REM, "Man on the Moon"
>
By the way, Susan, if Messiah doesn't have to die, then what's with all the
blood sacrifices in the Old Testament?
Christ is the lamb of God, which Abraham prophesied would be provided for
the sacrifice, and as a Jew, you have a prior right to that than I do. Don't
let your traditions spoil your birthright; Christ was God's plan for Israel
all along.
Best,
Uncle Davey
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