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"Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message
news:c0ktkt$ad6$0@pita.alt.net...
>
> news:Ge6dnbP2JJuXFbDdRVn-gw@comcast.com...
> >
> > "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message
> > news:c0jtko$472$0@pita.alt.net...
> > >
> > > news:BO2dnX71w43ly7DdRVn-ug@comcast.com...
> > > >
> > > > "dave e" <dgenglish@hotmail.com> wrote...
> > > >
> > > > > I too wondered what any of the people on his (badly misnamed)
list
> of
> > > > > Christian founders have in common. Well, other than the fact
that
> 95%
> > > > > of them are men of European descent. And an astounding number
of
> them
> > > > > were active Freemasons (Is Jason Gastrich secretly a member of
the
> > > > > Illuminati?).
> > > > >
> > > > > So I did a Google search, and discovered one thing that at
least
> seven
> > > > > of the people on the list have in common: At least seven of
them
> are
> > > > > profiled on the infidel.com website as historically important
> > > > > non-Christians
> > > > >
> > > > > Paine, Franklin, Jefferson, Lincoln and Grant are profiled
here:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/john_remsburg/six_historic_americans/intro.html
> > > > >
> > > > > John Adams and James Madison are profiled here:
> > > > >
http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/extra/founding-fathers.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > > I'm blown away [at Jason's ability to deceive himself] by the
fact
> that
> > > > Jason categorizes Thomas Paine as a Bible believing Christian.
Trust
> me
> > > > though, there are honest Christians out there...and I find them
so
> > > > respectable because they are able to retain their faith w/o
resorting
> to
> > > > deception and dishonesty. I know that some of our founding
fathers
> were
> > > > Christian, some were Deists and/or "religious" in nature.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe Jason will show us how he can be honest. I ask each and
every
> one
> > > of
> > > > you to read some writings of Paine and decide whether Paine
"trusted"
> > the
> > > > Bible as the authority on God and whether Paine believed Christ
was
> God.
> > > Go
> > > > ahead, read for yourself:
> > > >
> > > > An essay from Paine
> > > > http://www.sacred-texts.com/aor/paine/dream.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Another essay entitled "Biblical Blasphemy"
> > > > http://www.sacred-texts.com/aor/paine/essay2.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Another essay about Biblical prophecies:
> > > > http://www.sacred-texts.com/aor/paine/proph.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Uncle Davey, I'm curious what you think...very curious.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > I think I've said all along that it matters little to me, as a
European,
> > > what the US founders thought, other than general knowledge.
> > >
> > > It wouldn't make the Gospel any less valid if the founders of the
US had
> > all
> > > been muslim Pakistanis.
> > >
> > > Uncle Davey
> > >
> >
> > Exactly, but some American Christians NEED to be able to say "Our
country
> > was founded by Bible believing Christians"...they think that make
some
> sort
> > of difference.
> >
> >
>
> I'm afraid that one thing that does make a very big difference to your
> country is the masonic involvement in all institutions from the
get-go.
> These weren't the ones doing the forty-niner trek across the desert
and
> founding california, they were the ones sitting back and laughing
while
> others did their dirty work.
>
> The skulls you can still find in the deserts of Nevada aren't
illuminati
> skulls, that's for sure. They would have been working out what they
were
> gonna pay for those nuggets if those other skulls had ever found them.
>
> And so the West was won.
hehehehe.. loved the last para and little's changed... Howyabin Uncle D?
I see Jason's getting stuffed about the Dr. business.. he shoulda paid
more attention all those months ago... :-)
Be well...
P
> Uncle Davey
>
>
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