> On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 00:20:54 +0000, Uncle Davey wrote:
>
> >
> > news:slrnc2st03.1io.mightymartianca@namibia.tandem...
> >> On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 10:46:21 +0000 (UTC), Uncle Davey <noway@jose.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > news:slrnc2qofb.ck.mightymartianca@namibia.tandem...
> >> >> On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:35:14 +0000 (UTC), Uncle Davey
> >> >> <noway@jose.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > news:slrnc2qjrg.ik.mightymartianca@namibia.tandem...
> >> >> >> On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:09:56 +0000 (UTC), Uncle Davey
> >> >> >> <noway@jose.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > news:slrnc2qfnc.1k4.mightymartianca@namibia.tandem...
> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:40:11 +0000 (UTC), Uncle Davey
> >> >> >> >> <noway@jose.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > news:slrnc2qcie.1ho.mightymartianca@namibia.tandem...
> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:48:16 +0000 (UTC), Dr. Jason
Gastrich
> >> >> >> >> >> <news@jcsm.org> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> > Richard McBane wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> AC wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:03:34 +0000 (UTC), Dr. Jason
> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Gastrich <news@jcsm.org> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> <snip>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> Good advice, Davey. It would be wise for the
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> questioner
> > to
> >> >> > first
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> repent of his/her sins and trust Christ for salvation
> > before
> >> >> >> > asking
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> Him this question. The first prayer God wants to hear
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> is
> > one
> >> > of
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> repentance and belief in Christ.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>> You know, I don't find that in any technical manual I
> >> > possess.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> You just have to check the JCMS manual.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > Please check the Bible.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> You mean it talks about computer maintenance in the Bible?
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jason runs an online ministry
> >> >> >> >> >> >> so he have to come up with a simple online method to
save
> >> > folks
> >> >> > that
> >> >> >> >> >> >> doesn't require any material stuff like water or laying
> >> >> >> >> >> >> on
> > of
> >> >> > hands.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > No, my church and the churches I've attended don't
require
> >> > water
> >> >> > or
> >> >> >> >> > laying
> >> >> >> >> >> > on of hands. These things aren't in the biblical
doctrine
> > of
> >> >> >> > salvation.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Posting out of context quotations on websites isn't in the
> > Bible
> >> >> >> > either,
> >> >> >> >> > so
> >> >> >> >> >> why do you do that?
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Water would probably mess up the online salvation
> > electrons.
> >> > So
> >> >> >> >> >> >> according to the JCMS manual "If you have decided to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> trust,
> >> >> > believe
> >> >> >> >> >> >> and accept Jesus Christ and you just prayed that prayer
> >> >> >> >> >> >> (or
> >> > one
> >> >> > like
> >> >> >> >> >> >> it) and truly meant it, then you are saved! Please email
> > me!"
> >> >> >> >> >> >> See it's that easy according to:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.jcsm.org/JCSM/thegospel.htm Emailing Jason is
> >> >> >> >> >> >> probably the important part.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > I can't save anyone. Christ saves people. Further, they
> > don't
> >> >> > need
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> >> > email me.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > Glad I could clarify. Hope you're ready to repent to
your
> >> >> > Creator.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> You first. Start by showing us some good works, like
> >> >> >> >> >> removing
> >> >> > Philip
> >> >> >> >> >> Johnson's out-of-context quotation list from your website.
> >> >> >> >> >> I
> >> > mean,
> >> >> >> > what
> >> >> >> >> >> kind of Christian would bear false witness?
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > He's not. He's helping Philip Johnson bear a true one.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Johnson's quotes are deliberate distortions, taken out of
> >> >> >> >> context
> > to
> >> >> > make
> >> >> >> >> people seem to be saying one thing that, when context is
> > restored,
> >> > show
> >> >> >> > them
> >> >> >> >> saying something entirely different. If this isn't bearing
> >> >> >> >> false
> >> >> > witness,
> >> >> >> >> Davey, then what do you call it?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Translating.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Perhaps you would like to explain this one-word answer? How is
> > taking
> >> > a
> >> >> >> quote out of context to try to show someone saying one thing when
> >> > context
> >> >> >> clearly shows them saying something else translating? I'm really
> > quite
> >> >> > keen
> >> >> >> to see your apolo^H^H^H^H^Hexplanation for this one.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> > 'Kay.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The story is told of a businessman who went to Russia, and he
> > gathered
> >> >> > together the management of the company his company had bought and
> >> >> > he
> >> > told
> >> >> > them all how better they were gonna be now that they had a
> >> >> > westerner
> > in
> >> >> > charge, and how he was gonna kick ass on anybody who didn't make
> >> >> > the
> >> > grade,
> >> >> > and generally a lot of things which would have made highly
> >> >> > improbable
> >> > that
> >> >> > he would ever witness the old copper-pipey suspended ceiling of
> >> >> > Sheremietievo airport on the way out of the country. He was
greeted
> >> > warmly
> >> >> > by the crowd and they wished him well. Later he found out that the
> >> > reason he
> >> >> > was able to get a nice reaction and not get rybkinned was because
> >> >> > the translator had removed all the insults of the Russians and the
> > threats
> >> > and
> >> >> > put in pleasantries instead.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > He said "Alexey, you didn't translate what I said". To which the
> >> > translator
> >> >> > said. "No, I translated what you OUGHT to have said."
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Sometimes good translation is like that.
> >> >>
> >> >> So, in other words, Philip Johnson is changing the meaning of these
> > people
> >> >> have said by taking the quotes out of context. You just happen to
> > think
> >> >> that the new meaning is right.
> >> >>
> >> >> Is your god so small and insignificant, so thoroughly meaningless
> >> >> that
> > he
> >> >> requires that Richard Dawkins and Charles Darwin be made to sound
> >> >> like
> >> > they
> >> >> don't accept evolution? Is this what Christianity is really about?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> > No, but they will all acknowledge the truth sooner or later anyway.
> >>
> >> That's not the point. You are being evasive now. YOu know fully well
> > that
> >> Philip Johnson is a liar, and you know fully well that Jason is
> >> spreading lies. How do you live with yourself, knowing that on this
> >> very group you are making your religion look like a den of deceivers?
> >>
> >>
> > I don't know anything about Philip Johnson, and I accept that Jason is
> > sincere.
> >
> > I see much more deceit on your side.
> >
>
> Example?
>
> > Uncle Davey
>
I gave him some examples.
Uncle Davey
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