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From: "Daniel Harper" <daniel_harper@terralink.net>
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Subject: Re: Any Puter Experts That Can Help
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 00:20:54 +0000, Uncle Davey wrote:
>
> news:slrnc2st03.1io.mightymartianca@namibia.tandem...
>> On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 10:46:21 +0000 (UTC), Uncle Davey <noway@jose.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > news:slrnc2qofb.ck.mightymartianca@namibia.tandem...
>> >> On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:35:14 +0000 (UTC), Uncle Davey
>> >> <noway@jose.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > news:slrnc2qjrg.ik.mightymartianca@namibia.tandem...
>> >> >> On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:09:56 +0000 (UTC), Uncle Davey
>> >> >> <noway@jose.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > news:slrnc2qfnc.1k4.mightymartianca@namibia.tandem...
>> >> >> >> On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:40:11 +0000 (UTC), Uncle Davey
>> >> >> >> <noway@jose.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > news:slrnc2qcie.1ho.mightymartianca@namibia.tandem...
>> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:48:16 +0000 (UTC), Dr. Jason Gastrich
>> >> >> >> >> <news@jcsm.org> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > Richard McBane wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> AC wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:03:34 +0000 (UTC), Dr. Jason
>> >> >> >> >> >>> Gastrich <news@jcsm.org> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> <snip>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> Good advice, Davey. It would be wise for the
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> questioner
> to
>> >> > first
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> repent of his/her sins and trust Christ for salvation
> before
>> >> >> > asking
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> Him this question. The first prayer God wants to hear
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> is
> one
>> > of
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> repentance and belief in Christ.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> You know, I don't find that in any technical manual I
>> > possess.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> You just have to check the JCMS manual.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Please check the Bible.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> You mean it talks about computer maintenance in the Bible?
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Jason runs an online ministry
>> >> >> >> >> >> so he have to come up with a simple online method to save
>> > folks
>> >> > that
>> >> >> >> >> >> doesn't require any material stuff like water or laying
>> >> >> >> >> >> on
> of
>> >> > hands.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > No, my church and the churches I've attended don't require
>> > water
>> >> > or
>> >> >> >> > laying
>> >> >> >> >> > on of hands. These things aren't in the biblical doctrine
> of
>> >> >> > salvation.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Posting out of context quotations on websites isn't in the
> Bible
>> >> >> > either,
>> >> >> >> > so
>> >> >> >> >> why do you do that?
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Water would probably mess up the online salvation
> electrons.
>> > So
>> >> >> >> >> >> according to the JCMS manual "If you have decided to
>> >> >> >> >> >> trust,
>> >> > believe
>> >> >> >> >> >> and accept Jesus Christ and you just prayed that prayer
>> >> >> >> >> >> (or
>> > one
>> >> > like
>> >> >> >> >> >> it) and truly meant it, then you are saved! Please email
> me!"
>> >> >> >> >> >> See it's that easy according to:
>> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.jcsm.org/JCSM/thegospel.htm Emailing Jason is
>> >> >> >> >> >> probably the important part.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > I can't save anyone. Christ saves people. Further, they
> don't
>> >> > need
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> >> > email me.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Glad I could clarify. Hope you're ready to repent to your
>> >> > Creator.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> You first. Start by showing us some good works, like
>> >> >> >> >> removing
>> >> > Philip
>> >> >> >> >> Johnson's out-of-context quotation list from your website.
>> >> >> >> >> I
>> > mean,
>> >> >> > what
>> >> >> >> >> kind of Christian would bear false witness?
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > He's not. He's helping Philip Johnson bear a true one.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Johnson's quotes are deliberate distortions, taken out of
>> >> >> >> context
> to
>> >> > make
>> >> >> >> people seem to be saying one thing that, when context is
> restored,
>> > show
>> >> >> > them
>> >> >> >> saying something entirely different. If this isn't bearing
>> >> >> >> false
>> >> > witness,
>> >> >> >> Davey, then what do you call it?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> > Translating.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Perhaps you would like to explain this one-word answer? How is
> taking
>> > a
>> >> >> quote out of context to try to show someone saying one thing when
>> > context
>> >> >> clearly shows them saying something else translating? I'm really
> quite
>> >> > keen
>> >> >> to see your apolo^H^H^H^H^Hexplanation for this one.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> > 'Kay.
>> >> >
>> >> > The story is told of a businessman who went to Russia, and he
> gathered
>> >> > together the management of the company his company had bought and
>> >> > he
>> > told
>> >> > them all how better they were gonna be now that they had a
>> >> > westerner
> in
>> >> > charge, and how he was gonna kick ass on anybody who didn't make
>> >> > the
>> > grade,
>> >> > and generally a lot of things which would have made highly
>> >> > improbable
>> > that
>> >> > he would ever witness the old copper-pipey suspended ceiling of
>> >> > Sheremietievo airport on the way out of the country. He was greeted
>> > warmly
>> >> > by the crowd and they wished him well. Later he found out that the
>> > reason he
>> >> > was able to get a nice reaction and not get rybkinned was because
>> >> > the translator had removed all the insults of the Russians and the
> threats
>> > and
>> >> > put in pleasantries instead.
>> >> >
>> >> > He said "Alexey, you didn't translate what I said". To which the
>> > translator
>> >> > said. "No, I translated what you OUGHT to have said."
>> >> >
>> >> > Sometimes good translation is like that.
>> >>
>> >> So, in other words, Philip Johnson is changing the meaning of these
> people
>> >> have said by taking the quotes out of context. You just happen to
> think
>> >> that the new meaning is right.
>> >>
>> >> Is your god so small and insignificant, so thoroughly meaningless
>> >> that
> he
>> >> requires that Richard Dawkins and Charles Darwin be made to sound
>> >> like
>> > they
>> >> don't accept evolution? Is this what Christianity is really about?
>> >>
>> >>
>> > No, but they will all acknowledge the truth sooner or later anyway.
>>
>> That's not the point. You are being evasive now. YOu know fully well
> that
>> Philip Johnson is a liar, and you know fully well that Jason is
>> spreading lies. How do you live with yourself, knowing that on this
>> very group you are making your religion look like a den of deceivers?
>>
>>
> I don't know anything about Philip Johnson, and I accept that Jason is
> sincere.
>
> I see much more deceit on your side.
>
Example?
> Uncle Davey
--
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than my service to my God. [...] Wealth does not bring goodness, but goodness
brings wealth and every other blessing, both to the individual and that state.
Plato, quoting Socrates, from The _Apology_
--Daniel Harper
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