news:slrnc2qofb.ck.mightymartianca@namibia.tandem...
> On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:35:14 +0000 (UTC),
> Uncle Davey <noway@jose.com> wrote:
> >
> > news:slrnc2qjrg.ik.mightymartianca@namibia.tandem...
> >> On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:09:56 +0000 (UTC),
> >> Uncle Davey <noway@jose.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > news:slrnc2qfnc.1k4.mightymartianca@namibia.tandem...
> >> >> On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:40:11 +0000 (UTC),
> >> >> Uncle Davey <noway@jose.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > news:slrnc2qcie.1ho.mightymartianca@namibia.tandem...
> >> >> >> On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:48:16 +0000 (UTC),
> >> >> >> Dr. Jason Gastrich <news@jcsm.org> wrote:
> >> >> >> > Richard McBane wrote:
> >> >> >> >> AC wrote:
> >> >> >> >>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:03:34 +0000 (UTC),
> >> >> >> >>> Dr. Jason Gastrich <news@jcsm.org> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> <snip>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> Good advice, Davey. It would be wise for the questioner to
> > first
> >> >> >> >>>> repent of his/her sins and trust Christ for salvation before
> >> > asking
> >> >> >> >>>> Him this question. The first prayer God wants to hear is one
of
> >> >> >> >>>> repentance and belief in Christ.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> You know, I don't find that in any technical manual I
possess.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> You just have to check the JCMS manual.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Please check the Bible.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You mean it talks about computer maintenance in the Bible?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Jason runs an online ministry
> >> >> >> >> so he have to come up with a simple online method to save
folks
> > that
> >> >> >> >> doesn't require any material stuff like water or laying on of
> > hands.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > No, my church and the churches I've attended don't require
water
> > or
> >> >> > laying
> >> >> >> > on of hands. These things aren't in the biblical doctrine of
> >> > salvation.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Posting out of context quotations on websites isn't in the Bible
> >> > either,
> >> >> > so
> >> >> >> why do you do that?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Water would probably mess up the online salvation electrons.
So
> >> >> >> >> according to the JCMS manual "If you have decided to trust,
> > believe
> >> >> >> >> and accept Jesus Christ and you just prayed that prayer (or
one
> > like
> >> >> >> >> it) and truly meant it, then you are saved! Please email me!"
> >> >> >> >> See it's that easy according to:
> >> >> >> >> http://www.jcsm.org/JCSM/thegospel.htm
> >> >> >> >> Emailing Jason is probably the important part.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I can't save anyone. Christ saves people. Further, they don't
> > need
> >> > to
> >> >> >> > email me.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Glad I could clarify. Hope you're ready to repent to your
> > Creator.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You first. Start by showing us some good works, like removing
> > Philip
> >> >> >> Johnson's out-of-context quotation list from your website. I
mean,
> >> > what
> >> >> >> kind of Christian would bear false witness?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > He's not. He's helping Philip Johnson bear a true one.
> >> >>
> >> >> Johnson's quotes are deliberate distortions, taken out of context to
> > make
> >> >> people seem to be saying one thing that, when context is restored,
show
> >> > them
> >> >> saying something entirely different. If this isn't bearing false
> > witness,
> >> >> Davey, then what do you call it?
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Translating.
> >>
> >> Perhaps you would like to explain this one-word answer? How is taking
a
> >> quote out of context to try to show someone saying one thing when
context
> >> clearly shows them saying something else translating? I'm really quite
> > keen
> >> to see your apolo^H^H^H^H^Hexplanation for this one.
> >>
> >
> > 'Kay.
> >
> > The story is told of a businessman who went to Russia, and he gathered
> > together the management of the company his company had bought and he
told
> > them all how better they were gonna be now that they had a westerner in
> > charge, and how he was gonna kick ass on anybody who didn't make the
grade,
> > and generally a lot of things which would have made highly improbable
that
> > he would ever witness the old copper-pipey suspended ceiling of
> > Sheremietievo airport on the way out of the country. He was greeted
warmly
> > by the crowd and they wished him well. Later he found out that the
reason he
> > was able to get a nice reaction and not get rybkinned was because the
> > translator had removed all the insults of the Russians and the threats
and
> > put in pleasantries instead.
> >
> > He said "Alexey, you didn't translate what I said". To which the
translator
> > said. "No, I translated what you OUGHT to have said."
> >
> > Sometimes good translation is like that.
>
> So, in other words, Philip Johnson is changing the meaning of these people
> have said by taking the quotes out of context. You just happen to think
> that the new meaning is right.
>
> Is your god so small and insignificant, so thoroughly meaningless that he
> requires that Richard Dawkins and Charles Darwin be made to sound like
they
> don't accept evolution? Is this what Christianity is really about?
>
No, but they will all acknowledge the truth sooner or later anyway.
Uncle Davey
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