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From: Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com>
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Subject: Re: Is Bush a Christian or?
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 00:33:30 +0100, "Ariaan"
<thisisagenuineaddresssopleaseomittheobvioustoreplyNOOOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>Routerider wrote:
>> "Ariaan" wrote in message...
>>> Routerider wrote:
>>>> "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote ...
>>>>
>>>>> I don't see what that has to do with that. My grandad was a racist
>>>>> too, most people were in those days. It doesn't make me one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Uncle Davey
>>>>
>>>> The OT Bible god thought that your lineage was very important, after
>>>> all, if you were not 100% Jewish you could not be apart of the
>>>> congregation [Deut. 23:2]. Of course that's why I reject the OT
>>>> tribal god Jehovah. You are right, your genetic background does not
>>>> dictate who you are emotionally, spiritually or
>>>> moralistically...only physically.
>>>
>>> How about Ruth, the Moabitic woman? She became the great great etc
>>> grandmother of Jesus.
>>> How about Rahab, the Canaanite whore; she became the great great
>>> etc.grandmother of Jesus.
>>>
>>> Ariaan
>>>
>>
>> It seems we have a contradiction in the Bible.
>
>:-) Not at all.
>
>For some reason God had chosen the decendents of Abraham to be His people.
>God could do that, because He is a sovereign God, and does not have to tell
>us why He does things the way He does.
>So these people were His special people, through which He would bring the
>Messiah into the world. The other peoples were heathens and did not worship
>Him and some eventually called His wrath upon themselves. But had they
>repented of their ways, that would not have been the case. Look for instance
>at the history of Jonah and Nineveh; the Ninevites repented of their ways
>and consequently God spared the city, much to the dismay of Jonah, who in
>21st century terms had already installed himself with a sixpack and a bag of
>potatoe chips in front of the television, ready to enjoy the spectacle. God
>always has mercy on those who repent.
>So for some reason, unknown to us, God had chosen this people to be His
>special people, but everyone who worshipped Him could come into the
>congregation of the Israelites and be circumcised and have part in the
>covenant. Perhaps not with the same rights as the Israelites, because only
>they were His people, but still members of God's congregation and thus
>blessed with the same blessings that the Israelites would receive. So the
>key part in this is the fact that one had to worship God to be accepted in
>His congregation. And while the old covenant was especially for God's chosen
>people, the new would be for the entire world. God's mercy is boundless for
>those who seek Him ernestly. And that is what Rahab the whore did, and that
>is what Ruth did. Both were from other peoples, but both recognised God for
>who He is and His people for who they were. And they knew who to turn to,
>and where they had a real future. And God rewarded them for that, by
>accepting them into His congregation and even giving them a special place:
>foremother of the Messiah. Not because they were so good of themselves, but
>as a sign of the coming covenant, which would be extended to the gentiles as
>well. That is why exactly these two remarkable women appear in the lineage
>of Christ: as a sign that one day God's grace would be extended to all the
>peoples of the world, as God had already promised Abraham ("In thee shall
>all the the families of the earth be blessed.")
>
>So it is not a contradiction, but a remarkable sign of God's infinite grace.
>
>Ariaan
>
Not bad Ariaan. Now if you can put the same work into our little
aside we can have an interesting discussion.
BB
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