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Subject: Re: How to define "Christian"
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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 21:21:33 +0100
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R.Schenck wrote:
> "Ariaan"
> <thisisagenuineaddresssopleaseomittheobvioustoreplyNOOOSPAM@hotmail.com>
> wrote in message news:<PqvQb.282174$_x2.593351@zonnet-reader-1>...
>> Routerider wrote:
>>> "Ariaan"
>>> <thisisagenuineaddresssopleaseomittheobvioustoreplyNOOOSPAM@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote
>>> ...
>>>
>>>>> So my question to you guys is, is the author of this site being
>>>>> dishonest or is he merely misinformed?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.michaelnewdow.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Thomas Paine is listed as a "bible believer" and a Christian.
>>>>
>>>> Well, judging by Thomas Paine's words, I would say that the author
>>>> of that site, who appears to be Jason Gastrich, is very much
>>>> misled, to say the least. A deist is not a Christian. What's more:
>>>> the deist viewpoint opposes Christianity. From Thomas Paine's own
>>>> words it would appear that he is anything but a Bible believing
>>>> Christian. Surely he could talk about a Heavenly King reigning
>>>> above. He did believe in God, after all. But apparently not in the
>>>> Christian God.
>>>>
>>>> 'Dishonesty' is such a big word. I would take as my starting point
>>>> that 'thick-skinned' is very much appropriate in this case.
>>>>
>>>>> It appears that *choice* quotes are snagged and an attempt is made
>>>>> to fool those who are unfamiliar with these founding fathers.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.michaelnewdow.com/#Thomas_Paine
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, but what are you gonna do...
>>>>
>>>> Ariaan
>>>
>>> Thank you for your honesty. It appears to me that there is an
>>> "outsider" definition of Christianity: "Someone who treasures the
>>> teachings of Jesus Christ". Then there is the "insider" definition
>>> which would be someone who confirms the following:
>>> http://www.carm.org/doctrine/essentials.htm
>>
>> Yep. But the 'outsider' definition cannot be correct, because of
>> what Christ Himself taught and who He was. Being a Christian is more
>> than just treasuring certain teachings.
>> It's just as in my example of the 'genuine' royalist: your believes
>> and actions have to be in line with that which / who you're
>> identifying yourself with. You don't have to be a Christian to
>> define Christianity; it's just as with any other definition of
>> followers of something/someone. If you are a true follower, you
>> believe and act just as that which / who you are following. No more,
>> no less.
>>
>> Therefore a Christian would for starters have to believe the Bible
>> to be 100% correct. Otherwise they would not be following Christ's
>> teachings.
>>
>> Ariaan
>
>
> how is that even possible when it has been wrong on so many things?
> perhaps if you beleive everythign happenedd as it says it does but
> that the world is mad eto look like another thing happened, i'll grant
> that that is at least consistent.
Well, I do believe that everything happened as it says it happened.
If Christ said the Scripture to be true, then what kind of Christian are you
if you say it's not?
Ariaan
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