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From: "Constance Vigilant" <anybodyleft@arthurandersen.com>
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Subject: Re: David Horn's Fish
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"Piorokrat" <piorokrat@autograf.pl> wrote in message
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>
> news:f25544d.0312271928.64e59f0c@posting.google.com...
> > "Constance Vigilant" <anybodyleft@arthurandersen.com> wrote in message
> news:<bsjvae$dut$0@pita.alt.net>...
> > > "Dr. Jason Gastrich" <news@jcsm.org> wrote in message
> > > news:sbeHb.29845$nG3.20648@twister.socal.rr.com...
> > > > David Horn wrote:
> > > > > [Making sure this doesn't get lost in the Gastrich-shuffle]
> > > > >
> > > > > I have here at my desk a copy of an article entitled "African
> Cichlid
> > > > > Fishes: Model System for Evolutionary Biology." The reference is
> the
> > > > > _Annual Review of Ecology and Systematics_ 31:163. Here's the
> > > > > abstract:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Cichlid fishes (Perciformes: Teleostei) found in the lakes of
> Africa
> > > > > have
> > > > > served as model systems for the study of evolution. The enormous
> > > > > number of
> > > > > species (1000 in Lake Malawi alone), the great diversity of
trophic
> > > > > adaptations and behaviors, and the extreme rapidity of their
> > > > > divergence (<50,000 y for some faunas) single out these organisms
as
> > > > > examples of evolution in progress. Because these fishes are
confined
> > > > > to discrete lacustrine environments and their origination is
bounded
> > > > > by geological features, these groups provide models with which to
> > > > > study evolution. We review theoretical studies and empirical
> research
> > > > > on the cichlid faunas of Africa to provide a synthetic overview of
> > > > > current knowledge of the evolutionary processes at work in this
> > > > > group. This view provides the critical information needed to
> > > > > formulate and test hypotheses that may permit discrimination among
> > > > > the diverse theories and models that have been advanced to explain
> > > > > the evolution of these fishes."
> > > > >
> > > > > I think it's time to end the sort of vague talk that occurs
between
> > > > > the
> > > > > two camps. Above is an actual reference from a scientific
journal.
> > > > > Let's
> > > > > talk actual *evidence* and see who has a scientific case. I read
> > > > > back and
> > > > > see that "Dr" Gastrich has made a lot of noise about debating.
> Here's
> > > > > where he can try to "put up or shut up." Gastrich has one week
from
> > > > > today
> > > > > to obtain this article (it's a major journal and a copy should be
> > > > > available at any decent university library). He can then post a
> > > > > critical,
> > > > > scientific review of this article. It's actually one of the more
> > > > > basic on
> > > > > the subect of cichlid evolution. He should be grateful that he
can
> > > > > start
> > > > > with this and not an article that discusses something like the
> > > > > greater variety of _hagoromo_ mRNA as shown in speciation
> > > > > events of east African populations of cichlid fishes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let's see if this self-styled "doctor" has anything to offer us.
> > > >
> > > > I believe in every kind of evolution that we have observed. I don't
> deny
> > > > this article or what we have seen. Would you care to make an
> argument? I
> > > > can't promise that I'll locate this journal article in a university
> > > library.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > > Jason
> > > >
> > > > P.S. If you wish to speak to me, then refrain from mocking me.
This
> is
> > > > your only warning before I ignore you.
> > > >
> > >
> > > It's a pity Uncle Davey isn't around. He's a bit of an expert on fish.
> > >
> > > I'm cross-posting it to his group.
> > >
> > > In Love,
> > > Constance Vigilant
> >
> > But you ARE Uncle Davey.
> >
> > Cleve
> >
>
> Tia napokapado!
>
> Kaj mi pensis ke Vi konas min.
>
> S-ro Lendon, kion vi faras fore de la esperantaj grupoj? Cxu tio estas
> speciala okazo?
>
> Kiel fartas la hiacintoj?
>
> Samideane,
>
> Onklo Dacxjo
>
What's all this, then?
In Love,
Constance Vigilant
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