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From: Morpheus <Morpheus@dreamland.com>
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Subject: Re: PING ALL ((Group list))
Date: 29 Sep 2009 12:29:01 -0500
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On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 14:53:15 -0700, Mover wrote
(in article <260920091753150928%Mover@Watch-Me.com>):
> In article <oh1sb5h299djrns6kgbrkd5kvbdpa3v0r2@4ax.com>, NP-f31 wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:06:05 -0400, Mover <Mover@Watch-Me.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <u62rb5h88aueqd8l8k11ch7lt736t0nups@4ax.com>, NP-f31 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:58:29 -0700, kurk <kurkb47uy@befor.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There is no need to ask for a list because there has been no new open
>>>>> group posting in any new group only private posting.
>>>>
>>>> This is absolutely incorrect.
>>>>
>>>>> So you all have
>>>>> the up to date groups.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps, but probably not. Things have been happening at a fast pace
>>>> lately.
>>>>
>>>>> I am surprise the person you ask for the list
>>>>> just does not say this.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't start this, another poster did.
>>>>
>>>>> I guess there is some other reason this person
>>>>> doesn't.
>>>>
>>>> That's right Kurk, I have been trolled in this group and treated like
>>>> shit because I want to help keep newbies safe. That's what I get for
>>>> caring, I guess.
>>>>
>>>> Some people may call me petty for feeling the way I do. But when you
>>>> help literally hundreds of people over the course of ten years and
>>>> then get treated the way I've been treated, why should I put out an
>>>> ounce of effort to help anyone? All of those lurkers I helped were
>>>> sitting here watching the drama unfold and none of them said a word.
>>>> Just a few friends spoke up.
>>>>
>>>> People have no problem posting to ask me for the list, and these same
>>>> lurkers sat here and watched me get trolled by the poster with a
>>>> thousand names. If you think about it, I'm under no obligation to help
>>>> anyone, am I? Whether some people want to admit it or not, I am a
>>>> resource in this group. Lurkers have no respect for their resources,
>>>> they don't bother reading the rules and requests of posters and drive
>>>> them off. That's why the active groups are secret and password
>>>> protected. Lurkers did it to themselves and they're still doing it.
>>>>
>>>>> But all I have to say to this person don't give out the
>>>>> private groups and have these people bugging them for the pass.
>>>>
>>>> What difference would that make? Those posters steadfastly ignore text
>>>> posts and, in fact, snicker behind the backs of the hopeful lurkers
>>>> who ask for the passwords. When their current homes get too much
>>>> attention they will move along to new groups that have been
>>>> predetermined.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not venting at you Kurk, you just gave me a reason to speak my
>>>> mind.
>>>>
>>>> Stay Safe,
>>>>
>>>> Doc
>>>
>>>
>>> You are one funny Doc!
>>>
>>> "why should I put out an ounce of effort to help anyone?"
>>> Why should any one? There are two reasons:
>>> 1. Because they have a personal need to help people, for duty, or just
>>> for the good feeling it gives them to make a positive difference in
>>> people's lives.
>>> 2. Because they need attention and ego boosting; the approval and love
>>> from others that's necessary to advance their own self love they
>>> already have too much of.
>>>
>>> Which one was your reason?
>>> I figure it this way; if it were #1, you would still be helping people.
>>> Would KidHacker or Y Not have stopped helping people if newbies didn't
>>> defend them against the obviously insane? You know they wouldn't have
>>> and they didn't.
>>> Grant, The Lookout, Cosmos, and Baal defended your security information
>>> as much as they should have. After that you didn't need or deserve
>>> personal support. You brought it on yourself, and that's what's so
>>> funny about your complaint.
>>>
>>> If you need people who don't know you here to love you, figure out what
>>> should make that happen and DO it, instead of whining about it, no
>>> matter how funny that makes you look right now.
>>>
>>> I'm telling you how to make yourself unfunny to me. That isn't what I
>>> want to see here. You looked so pathetic, like a wounded puppy, I had
>>> to help. I must be altruistic! I hope it's just a temporary phase.
>>> Please disregard what I wrote about this and keep whining and being
>>> funny, at least until the Witch Hunters come back. You and Y Not being
>>> the same person just chokes me up! I could hardly keep on my new chair
>>> when I read that. LOL
>>>
>>> Be funny,
>>>
>>> Mover
>>
>> Hi Mover,
>>
>> Your post makes some of the same assumptions that Y Not always used to
>> make and he was wrong back then. The assumption that I have this
>> desperate need to help others and be adored is so much psychobabble.
>> It ignores the fact that I have free will. The way you present it here
>> is in the form of Y Not TACTIC #3, basically you're insulting me in
>> the guise of helpful 'humor'.
>
> Oh no, I didn't insult you at all. Then. But since you need me to so
> much you made yourself see it in my post, I'm going to, a little, in
> this post, just to please you, and because that's funny.
>
> I didn't make any assumptions. I gave you a choice of 1 or 2 but didn't
> say you could choose parts of both, or even other numbers you could
> make up. Now you are doing just that so people here can know more about
> you and where you stand and sit. The truth. About time, don't you
> think?
>
> I tricked you. I got you to expose how out of it you are. Awwww. LOL
>
>> There are many reasons I help other people, some of them are
>> altruistic reasons; there are deep seated needs to help because I was
>> abused as a child; and then there is the question of if I don't help,
>> who will? Helping others feels good. Helping others builds
>> friendships. There are more than two reasons.
>
> Quite right.
> Most of that, basically, are reasons to seek love and approval. Thanks
> for explaining more than I did. Funny how you keep trying to avoid the
> truth, while you disagree with yourself.
>
>> The flip side of that is being taken for granted disappoints. Lack of
>> appreciation is demoralizing. Remembering how many people you helped
>> who might have supported you, but didn't, hurts.
>
> I never helped people. I'm not helping you here, either. It's too easy
> to help. It's a lot more fun to make people do stupid things and be
> funny. Like your reply to me I made you do.
>
> Why should it hurt? It doesn't hurt me. It didn't hurt those two others
> you didn't want me to mention. Why do you have to let it hurt YOU?
> Accepting this kind of hurt is a choice. Why do you want to be hurt?
> Don't you know how immature and funny this makes you look?
>
>> But the most important question you didn't answer: If you think about
>> it, I'm under no obligation to help anyone, am I?
>
> You are under no obligation to breathe, either. Going to stop? LOL
> Some people would disagree with you, because you offered group lists
> before and stopped because you weren't appreciated enough. You did say
> that. I think it's funny, in a cruel kind of way.
> If you care enough about people, that obligates you. If you don't care,
> it doesn't. I answered your question. What are you going to do with it
> now? I think, nothing. You didn't expect me to answer that seriously,
> and didn't want me to, so I did. Funny, isn't it?
>
>> And that leads us to the point of my post, which evaded you: Lurkers
>> need to protect their resources, whether it's me who helps out with my
>> list, security advice or boy advice, or Cosmos, Edik, Insane For Boys
>> and the other posters who unselfishly post some of the most beautiful
>> images ever seen. Not following simple ground rules set down by
>> posters (usually because they weren't paying attention) caused most of
>> the posters to move to their private groups and may have inadvertantly
>> contributed to the arrest of others by exposing passwords, etc.
>
> Lurkers are just lurkers. They don't know anything you think they
> should know except the oldies know it's too dangerous to post, and the
> newbies don't have the tiniest clue, and wouldn't know what to with one
> if you glued it to their nose. They aren't going to do what you want
> just because you say so and you are a big fool to expect them to. Keep
> it up, and alienate them all forever. Good work, right?
>
> How can you expect people to accept your help the way you want them
> too, when you can't accept help from other people, and think it's an
> attack? Why should you assume they are better than you? This is almost
> too funny; the helpless helper!
> Now I have to get back on my chair. LOL
>
>> Invoking KidHacker and Y Not is pointless. They don't post here
>> anymore. The Fort has to survive with the folks that post here. Other
>> people have the same information to share that I have, but they have
>> no interest in helping others. I have resources and a desire to help
>> others, but all I get is a beat down from people who post with Thoth.
>> I am not interested in ancient rivalries and I'm close to stopping my
>> helpfulness altogether and going into lurking mode like so many before
>> me.
>
> See, you are behaving just as I said you were and you even agree with
> the reason I said. Nice of you! Funny you have to use the all the other
> parts of your post to try to make yourself believe the opposite.
>
> KN and Y never gave up just because they were attacked or weren't
> appreciated. Oh, I can see now why you wouldn't want to be reminded of
> that. LOL
>
> Its true other people have the info. So would I if I had saved it. I
> wouldn't post it if I did have it because I'm not an expert who is able
> to handle questions about it, and because I don't care. I come here to
> have fun, not be serious. I don't know why those other posters don't
> post and support all that stuff and I don't care. If you really cared,
> you would ask them, instead of whining about it to me.
>
>> Doc
>> NP-f31
>
> "but all I get is a beat down from people who post with Thoth." Really?
> Would Y Not call that restrictive paranoia? If there were such a term.
> Did you forget all those anonymous posters? What about the Outlook of
> the Castrator clones? Can it be you reject help more than you reject
> attacks, and why is that? Do you really think those "Thoth" posters,
> whoever they are to you (except me and Morpheus) really want to do you
> bad? It looks to me like they were trying to help and you were so busy
> rejecting that and them you didn't notice how stupid and funny you were
> looking. I like that!
>
> It all boils down to this smelly little bit:
> You gave mature reasons why you should help people, and immature
> reasons why you shouldn't. What could be funnier?
>
> Well, there is something funnier:
> Watching you try to help people and what happens when you do. You can't
> accept helpful criticism to make your help better. So, please keep
> doing your worst. LOL
>
> I hope you reply with more funny bits I can play with.
>
> The bit player,
>
> Mover
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