In article <oh1sb5h299djrns6kgbrkd5kvbdpa3v0r2@4ax.com>, NP-f31 wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:06:05 -0400, Mover <Mover@Watch-Me.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <u62rb5h88aueqd8l8k11ch7lt736t0nups@4ax.com>, NP-f31 wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:58:29 -0700, kurk <kurkb47uy@befor.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >There is no need to ask for a list because there has been no new open
> >> >group posting in any new group only private posting.
> >>
> >> This is absolutely incorrect.
> >>
> >> >So you all have
> >> >the up to date groups.
> >>
> >> Perhaps, but probably not. Things have been happening at a fast pace
> >> lately.
> >>
> >> >I am surprise the person you ask for the list
> >> >just does not say this.
> >>
> >> I didn't start this, another poster did.
> >>
> >> > I guess there is some other reason this person
> >> >doesn't.
> >>
> >> That's right Kurk, I have been trolled in this group and treated like
> >> shit because I want to help keep newbies safe. That's what I get for
> >> caring, I guess.
> >>
> >> Some people may call me petty for feeling the way I do. But when you
> >> help literally hundreds of people over the course of ten years and
> >> then get treated the way I've been treated, why should I put out an
> >> ounce of effort to help anyone? All of those lurkers I helped were
> >> sitting here watching the drama unfold and none of them said a word.
> >> Just a few friends spoke up.
> >>
> >> People have no problem posting to ask me for the list, and these same
> >> lurkers sat here and watched me get trolled by the poster with a
> >> thousand names. If you think about it, I'm under no obligation to help
> >> anyone, am I? Whether some people want to admit it or not, I am a
> >> resource in this group. Lurkers have no respect for their resources,
> >> they don't bother reading the rules and requests of posters and drive
> >> them off. That's why the active groups are secret and password
> >> protected. Lurkers did it to themselves and they're still doing it.
> >>
> >> >But all I have to say to this person don't give out the
> >> >private groups and have these people bugging them for the pass.
> >>
> >> What difference would that make? Those posters steadfastly ignore text
> >> posts and, in fact, snicker behind the backs of the hopeful lurkers
> >> who ask for the passwords. When their current homes get too much
> >> attention they will move along to new groups that have been
> >> predetermined.
> >>
> >> I'm not venting at you Kurk, you just gave me a reason to speak my
> >> mind.
> >>
> >> Stay Safe,
> >>
> >> Doc
> >
> >
> >You are one funny Doc!
> >
> >"why should I put out an ounce of effort to help anyone?"
> >Why should any one? There are two reasons:
> >1. Because they have a personal need to help people, for duty, or just
> >for the good feeling it gives them to make a positive difference in
> >people's lives.
> >2. Because they need attention and ego boosting; the approval and love
> >from others that's necessary to advance their own self love they
> >already have too much of.
> >
> >Which one was your reason?
> >I figure it this way; if it were #1, you would still be helping people.
> >Would KidHacker or Y Not have stopped helping people if newbies didn't
> >defend them against the obviously insane? You know they wouldn't have
> >and they didn't.
> >Grant, The Lookout, Cosmos, and Baal defended your security information
> >as much as they should have. After that you didn't need or deserve
> >personal support. You brought it on yourself, and that's what's so
> >funny about your complaint.
> >
> >If you need people who don't know you here to love you, figure out what
> >should make that happen and DO it, instead of whining about it, no
> >matter how funny that makes you look right now.
> >
> >I'm telling you how to make yourself unfunny to me. That isn't what I
> >want to see here. You looked so pathetic, like a wounded puppy, I had
> >to help. I must be altruistic! I hope it's just a temporary phase.
> >Please disregard what I wrote about this and keep whining and being
> >funny, at least until the Witch Hunters come back. You and Y Not being
> >the same person just chokes me up! I could hardly keep on my new chair
> >when I read that. LOL
> >
> >Be funny,
> >
> >Mover
>
> Hi Mover,
>
> Your post makes some of the same assumptions that Y Not always used to
> make and he was wrong back then. The assumption that I have this
> desperate need to help others and be adored is so much psychobabble.
> It ignores the fact that I have free will. The way you present it here
> is in the form of Y Not TACTIC #3, basically you're insulting me in
> the guise of helpful 'humor'.
Oh no, I didn't insult you at all. Then. But since you need me to so
much you made yourself see it in my post, I'm going to, a little, in
this post, just to please you, and because that's funny.
I didn't make any assumptions. I gave you a choice of 1 or 2 but didn't
say you could choose parts of both, or even other numbers you could
make up. Now you are doing just that so people here can know more about
you and where you stand and sit. The truth. About time, don't you
think?
I tricked you. I got you to expose how out of it you are. Awwww. LOL
> There are many reasons I help other people, some of them are
> altruistic reasons; there are deep seated needs to help because I was
> abused as a child; and then there is the question of if I don't help,
> who will? Helping others feels good. Helping others builds
> friendships. There are more than two reasons.
Quite right.
Most of that, basically, are reasons to seek love and approval. Thanks
for explaining more than I did. Funny how you keep trying to avoid the
truth, while you disagree with yourself.
> The flip side of that is being taken for granted disappoints. Lack of
> appreciation is demoralizing. Remembering how many people you helped
> who might have supported you, but didn't, hurts.
I never helped people. I'm not helping you here, either. It's too easy
to help. It's a lot more fun to make people do stupid things and be
funny. Like your reply to me I made you do.
Why should it hurt? It doesn't hurt me. It didn't hurt those two others
you didn't want me to mention. Why do you have to let it hurt YOU?
Accepting this kind of hurt is a choice. Why do you want to be hurt?
Don't you know how immature and funny this makes you look?
> But the most important question you didn't answer: If you think about
> it, I'm under no obligation to help anyone, am I?
You are under no obligation to breathe, either. Going to stop? LOL
Some people would disagree with you, because you offered group lists
before and stopped because you weren't appreciated enough. You did say
that. I think it's funny, in a cruel kind of way.
If you care enough about people, that obligates you. If you don't care,
it doesn't. I answered your question. What are you going to do with it
now? I think, nothing. You didn't expect me to answer that seriously,
and didn't want me to, so I did. Funny, isn't it?
> And that leads us to the point of my post, which evaded you: Lurkers
> need to protect their resources, whether it's me who helps out with my
> list, security advice or boy advice, or Cosmos, Edik, Insane For Boys
> and the other posters who unselfishly post some of the most beautiful
> images ever seen. Not following simple ground rules set down by
> posters (usually because they weren't paying attention) caused most of
> the posters to move to their private groups and may have inadvertantly
> contributed to the arrest of others by exposing passwords, etc.
Lurkers are just lurkers. They don't know anything you think they
should know except the oldies know it's too dangerous to post, and the
newbies don't have the tiniest clue, and wouldn't know what to with one
if you glued it to their nose. They aren't going to do what you want
just because you say so and you are a big fool to expect them to. Keep
it up, and alienate them all forever. Good work, right?
How can you expect people to accept your help the way you want them
too, when you can't accept help from other people, and think it's an
attack? Why should you assume they are better than you? This is almost
too funny; the helpless helper!
Now I have to get back on my chair. LOL
> Invoking KidHacker and Y Not is pointless. They don't post here
> anymore. The Fort has to survive with the folks that post here. Other
> people have the same information to share that I have, but they have
> no interest in helping others. I have resources and a desire to help
> others, but all I get is a beat down from people who post with Thoth.
> I am not interested in ancient rivalries and I'm close to stopping my
> helpfulness altogether and going into lurking mode like so many before
> me.
See, you are behaving just as I said you were and you even agree with
the reason I said. Nice of you! Funny you have to use the all the other
parts of your post to try to make yourself believe the opposite.
KN and Y never gave up just because they were attacked or weren't
appreciated. Oh, I can see now why you wouldn't want to be reminded of
that. LOL
Its true other people have the info. So would I if I had saved it. I
wouldn't post it if I did have it because I'm not an expert who is able
to handle questions about it, and because I don't care. I come here to
have fun, not be serious. I don't know why those other posters don't
post and support all that stuff and I don't care. If you really cared,
you would ask them, instead of whining about it to me.
> Doc
> NP-f31
"but all I get is a beat down from people who post with Thoth." Really?
Would Y Not call that restrictive paranoia? If there were such a term.
Did you forget all those anonymous posters? What about the Outlook of
the Castrator clones? Can it be you reject help more than you reject
attacks, and why is that? Do you really think those "Thoth" posters,
whoever they are to you (except me and Morpheus) really want to do you
bad? It looks to me like they were trying to help and you were so busy
rejecting that and them you didn't notice how stupid and funny you were
looking. I like that!
It all boils down to this smelly little bit:
You gave mature reasons why you should help people, and immature
reasons why you shouldn't. What could be funnier?
Well, there is something funnier:
Watching you try to help people and what happens when you do. You can't
accept helpful criticism to make your help better. So, please keep
doing your worst. LOL
I hope you reply with more funny bits I can play with.
The bit player,
Mover
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