On 17 Sep 2009 18:09:02 -0500, +Grant <+Grant@grant.grant> wrote:
>In article <otc4b5hjp9qnvp1j6t3eheb29d6q19a1l1@4ax.com>, NP-f31 wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:48:21 -0700, "Pig Castrator Hatchet Mus.cled
>> George" <PigCastrator@SlaughterHouse.com> wrote:
>>
>> Icicle claims debunked
>> >================================
>> >
>> ><<>> Cyper boy
>> >Use of the NP Cultist trick of posting a cyber boy as a
>> >target and next posting NP Cultist bullshit to the target.
>> > (old NP Cultist bullshit)
>>
>> "Get this straight icicle, just because YOU'RE trying to be everyone
>> on usenet doesn't mean I'm everybody else."
>
>Good one!
>
>> >Note:
>> > Nobody has ever wanted any of the NP Cultist propaganda.
>>
>> Is 'Nobody' another of your personas? That is making an untrue and
>> unsupportable claim and treating it as a **_FACT_**.
>
>Funny jibe. LOL
>
>> >So, the NP Cultists created fake CYBER nics as TARGETs
>> >that requested their cult bullshit and next posted their bullshit
>> >to the targets.
>>
>> "Get this straight icicle, just because YOU'RE trying to be everyone
>> on usenet doesn't mean I'm everybody else."
>
>Duplicate.
>Redundant too. LOL
>
>> ><<>> Denial
>> >Use of the NP Cultist tricks to deny posting the Cyber stuff.
>> > (old NP Cultist bullshit)
>>
>> What is the 'Cyber stuff'? If you're going to bother to post, then you
>> ought to make what you write at least partially understandable.
>>
>> ><<>> Dictator
>> >Stupidly telling Fort visitors what they should and
>> >should not be doing. (old NP Cultist bullshit)
>>
>> I can't believe Grant would say that 'you are much more honest than
>> most of the people who show up here' when you create a specific lie
>> like the one above. My warnings were posted as warnings, not
>> directives. They are presented as sound information for newbies and my
>> warnings were accurate and supported by others. You might want to
>> reword this one too.
>
>I believe I would say it because it was honest of me to do it. Denying
>honesty to demonize an opponent is not a rational tactic.
>He believes what hes posting so hes being honest. He is bold about it
>and those two things can be appreciated and admired even when you
>disagree with his position and dislike his tactics. You always forget
>that your enemies are complete *people* not just totally debased
>monsters you need them to be to motivate you to all out attack with the
>worst tactics in all of usenet.
>Being honest doesn't mean being right or even sane. I pointed out those
>things in other parts of my post which you are trying to use here to
>get back at me for disagreeing with your tactic of using personal info
>against a poster. Posting against honesty is a little like shooting
>yourself in both feet at the same time. You have trouble finding a leg
>to stand on. LOL
Let me get this straight. Because he believes I am other posters it
isn't a lie for him to say so?
Using that logic it's not a lie for me to say he is a cop. Am I right?
All I have to do is believe it and I can say anything I want? Is that
what you're saying? When does Icicle become accountable for anything
he says then. You play a convenient doublestandard here Grant.
>
>> ><<>> Mind Fucking visitors to Fort
>> >Continued past conduct of NP Cultists that used
>> >the Fort to mind fuck and prey on victims.
>> > (old NP Cultist bullshit)
>>
>> That sentence means nothing to anyone because you don't offer an
>> example. You simply use your #1 Tactic of making an unsupportable
>> claim and treating it as if it were true. Interesting tactic for
>> someone who is 'much more honest than most of the people who show up
>> here'.
>>
>> Doc
>> NP-f31
>
>"You can't change someone's beliefs. The most you can do is kill him."
>
>He believes what he is posting. We know its not based on reality but
>that doesn't make him any less honest when hes wrong.
>But how different are you from him? You can't accept disagreements at
>all without believing the other person is your worst enemy. The only
>people you ever apologize too have to stroke your ego mightily first
>before you deign to do it but you don't act like you think other people
>like Oden is the same way so you attack trying to cover up your own
>weakness. Oden sure sees it. Hes pulling your stings and making you
>dance to his tune. You *know* you can't get him to stop by attacking
>him so why are you doing it? You take things way too personal and hes
>laughing at you. Hes acting like a troll and you are helping him.
>Whatever happened to the rule about not feeding them?
Once again, a double standard. You would never dream of saying that to
him. I'm 'wrong' even when I'm right and can prove and DO prove it. He
can make up all sorts of bullshit and he's being honest, regardless of
how ludricrous and blatantly untrue his 'beliefs' are. Do you think he
REALLY believes that whenever I post something I'm 'mind fucking' my
'victims'? Be honest. He's taking every opportunity he can get to call
me names and defame me. Do you know that there are people out there
that don't understand that he is not fifteen different individuals?
>
>Your post defending Nicky is very good. Attacking Oden personally is
>not and only makes things worse. Trying to discredit me for being
>honest to *you* and to *him* shows more about you than it does about
>me.
What I said was: I can't believe Grant would say that 'you are much
more honest than most of the people who show up here' when you create
a specific lie like the one above.
How is that discrediting you? I was stating an opinion. I didn't say
that what you said was essentially unsupportable or wrong. I am simply
disappointed in your stance.
>You already made your opinion about me clear by deliberately
>ignoring me in your story posts dedications despite it was my idea.
Ask yourself this simple question: If I posted stories after you
requested them, how can you say that I deliberately ignored you? Are
you saying that because you believe it, and therefore it doesn't have
to be true? Double standard. Did you thank Icicle for all the
fascinating stories he shared? Well that's good because he didn't
share any.
>You
>were less honest than Oden by expressing your dislike of me that way.
>Do you understand what I mean now?
Really, even though I did as you asked and posted three stories? I am
being less than honest? Can you explain that to me again, because I'm
not understanding at all.
>He accuses you of "Mind Fucking
>visitors to Fort". Showing him you are trying to do just that in a post
>to him is not smart at all.
Point out the part where I was mind fucking someone, I missed that.
Are you saying that my security post about the links was mindfucking,
was it the security post to Nicky that was the mindfuck, or was it
when I posted the Fort FAQ that you helped to write. When did I mind
fuck anyone?
>I wrote a longer and more explanatory post than this one but the comp
>crashed just before I could post it. I'm not bothering to do it now
>because I am remembering some good advice I received a year or two ago.
>I shouldn't waste my time with people who aren't worth it. I'm not sure
>that applies here but I have better things to take up my time than try
>to straighten out who is bad and good here when they aren't all that
>much different from each other.
I understand, I'm always wrong and Oden is always right and I'm not
worth your time. Got it.
>I'm not on his side. I'm not on your side. I'm on the forts side and
>always will be. I think we should all be but it sure doesn't look like
>it now!
>
>My story posts didn't receive any responses to them so I think there
>isn't any need to take time to write more. I will post one more I had
>posted before in another group and thats it. Please keep posting your
>stories. I'm going to be away from the groups for a time to concentrate
>on better things so I won't see them but I'm sure they will entertain
>lots of good people. To take from what you wrote to me to give back to
>you ---> "You bought it!"
God, this is just like the old days again.
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