| Re: Well, I hope you're happy, 'The "So-called" Guardians' |
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| Cosmos (Whosat@osama.com) |
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Subject: Re: Well, I hope you're happy, 'The "So-called" Guardians'
From: Cosmos <Whosat@osama.com>
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Doc@NP-f31.com wrote in news:ea7o15dqhkk1sca27c8cbkpirsu5uftovf@4ax.com:
> On 25 May 2009 19:15:04 -0500, +Grant <+Grant@grant.grant> wrote:
>
>>In article <lsfj151hf6if8d3fol8n6l2hpjf41trkjg@4ax.com>, Doc NP-f31
>><dudewiththeREMOVEhair@hushmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Because you can't take criticism like a man let's take a look at what
>>> you decided to do after I tried to help you.
>>>
>>> 1) You posted the contents of a series of preliminary archives that
>>> detailed proposed plans for the continuation of open posting in our
>>> groups.
>>>
>>> 2) You crossposted to two more of our groups.
>>>
>>> 3) As a result of 1 & 2 trolls are now flooding five of our former
>>> groups. And there will be NO open posting in the forseeable future.
>>> Thanks, for nothing.
>>>
>>> 4) You posted incorrect security information in a number of groups
>>> that, if followed, would endanger fellow BLs.
>>>
>>> 5) You attempted to discredit me in six different groups.
>>>
>>> 6) You've lied numerous times in the process.
>>>
>>> 7) You've made many enemies in our groups.
>>>
>>> 8) You accused several different posters of being me.
>>>
>>> 9) You ignored the posters who told you (nicely) that you were wrong.
>>>
>>> and WHY? Because you perceived that I was being 'disrespectful' to
>>> you. And you never once acknowledged that I gave you the pointers to
>>> get the VERY information you had originally asked for. That's right,
>>> The Guardians, even as a I was pointing out your NUMEROUS mistakes, I
>>> was helping you out by GIVING you what you'd asked for. I helped you
>>> become self sufficient.
>>>
>>> Then you have the nerve to turn around and tell me that you don't
need
>>> my help because you already found the password I TOLD you was there
>>> all along? And then YOU get mad at ME because I was rude to you?
>>>
>>> You idiot. You are so short sighted you couldn't even see that I was
>>> helping you. Go back and read the thread again. I wasn't being rude,
I
>>> was pointing out your mistakes one after another. You didn't like the
>>> fact I was embarrassing you by making you look bad. But I was
TEACHING
>>> you what you did wrong. You're not a long time poster and you know
it.
>>> You didn't even know what crossposting was until I told you that
you'd
>>> done it already.
>>>
>>> If you step back from your world of denial and read the original
>>> thread, you will see that I was helping you. Making an example of
you,
>>> YES! But that's the point. I pointed out your mistakes so others
would
>>> learn not to do it. There is STILL a lurker named Rob around who has
>>> NO IDEA that HE is the one that caused Jimmy to stop posting openly.
>>> But you've managed to make yourself even more of a pariah than him.
>>>
>>> By the way, I always sign my posts in this fashion:
>>>
>>> Doc
>>> NP-f31
>>>
>>> That way there's no confusing me with Rikard. LOL!
>>
>>
>>Hi Doc!
>>
>>I don't hope hes happy. I think he should be as miserable as the
>>saddest of us on the worst day but I think hes feeling mostly
>>self-righteous satisfaction that he has maintained his prideful
>>ignorance in spite of all efforts to help him.
>>
>>People who believe they can do no wrong (like him) do right only by
>>accident and then try to correct it.
>>
>>I don't think he can step back and read for two reasons. He would fall
>>of his ignorance he prizes so much and he doesn't read very well. Look
>>at his reply to me. It shows he doesn't have a clue about what I wrote!
>>
>>Side note.
>>I have noticed it here and in real life and in academia that people who
>>have personal reasons to not like what they read often see what isn't
>>there and don't see what is. Its like they have built a mistranslator
>>in their brain to reinforce the way they feel so they don't have to
>>feel too bad about what they read. This also makes it impossible for
>>them to see how crazy and stupid it makes them look to other people who
>>don't feel the same why he does and could have different mistranslators
>>of their own. What a world!
>>
>>I think he kill filtered you and me so he can't see our posts unless
>>somebody else replies and includes our posts in it. I think this is why
>>he replied to my post through DSs post and not directly to my post.
>>Anything to keep ignorant. LOL. Didn't you do the same to me a few
>>years ago? Does it feel funny and maybe a little frustrating things are
>>reversed this way? That hes using the tactics you popularized in your
>>attacks on Y Not when now you are trying to do for us what Y Not did to
>>help that you and other people fought him for? Sad but really ironic!
>>
>>I think you are doing good in the groups. I think you are finding out
>>that some people care so little about it they will fight it and you no
>>matter who they hurt and most posters will sit back and just let it
>>happen.
>>- Apathy.
>>- Let George do it.
>>- Don't want to get involved.
>>- Don't care.
>>- Caution.
>>- Cowardice.
>>- Self-destructive feelings.
>>- Personal dislike more important than the welfare of strangers.
>>Whatever their reasons don't expect too many supporters. TG noticed
>>that didn't he?
>>I don't agree completely with everything you write and do but I am one
>>of your supporters. You are the best we have right now of the people
>>who are willing to really work for the good of fort so you *should*
>>have our support. I think you will have more supporters the more you do
>>for us. And enemies too maybe. I guess things balance? Don't be
>>disheartened. We really do need you. PLease keep up the good work.
>>Please!
>
> Hi Grant,
>
> I was thinking about you yesterday. Thank you for EVERYTHING. I hope
> you are well. Thanks also for being one of the few posters who would
> get somebody's back when they see an injustice. You know what that's
> all about. In past days in The Fort, if somebody attacked me with lies
> or what have you there would be a half dozen posters supporting me
> within a few hours. Today, it's only those who understand what I've
> been trying to do that bothered to come to my defense. Thanks also to
> Rickard, Cosmos, and Jimmy for shouting down the troll. It's not that
> I couldn't deal with a troll, it's just that when you've been working
> as hard as I have to help a group of people, it's nice to know they
> appreciate it. For whatever reason, the majority of the lurkers don't
> care. They feel as if I owe them something. Oh they're polite, until
> you don't acknowledge their e-mail for a few days. Then it's 'Why
> didn't you answer my e-mail?' As if they're the only one that ever
> writes to me.
>
> You'd be amazed at how many people wrote to me and said, 'It's really
> a shame that The Guardians are acting like a troll to you and ruined
> the open posting plan. That plan would have worked.' And then they
> proceed to ask me for a Group List or passwords or information on some
> other related topic. But do they post to shout down The Guardians? Oh,
> hell no. No, it's simply a shame that their groups are now inhabited
> by Trolls and no more open posting is occurring.
>
> It's a shame that because they didn't follow the poster's guidelines
> and rules that Allegro was arrested and is now awaiting trial.
>
> It's a shame that because they couldn't be bothered to read and follow
> Jimmy's simple rules that he has stopped posting, joined the secret
> groups and will probably never post openly again. And why should he?
> He now has access to everything he could imagine and never has to read
> or acknowledge another lurker's complaint or whine.
>
> So, if they don't care, why should I care? I don't even download most
> of the stuff that's posted. I could care less if there is no open
> posting. What WAS important to me was the fact that here were people
> just like me who loved boys with all their hearts. I wanted to be a
> part of that community, I wanted to help out the newbies who were just
> discovering about themselves. And I did. I know I helped many hundreds
> of boylovers since I 'came out' here in The Fort years ago. Where were
> all those hundreds of fair weather friends this week? Sitting at home
> thinking what a shame it was that a single individual was ruining
> their groups.
>
> But something else has been happening. The Fort has begun another
> revival thanks to old stalwarts like Cosmos and Darkshadows, and even
> The Fort Kittens who are back and playing in The Fort. We've got
> friendly new faces like Lucario, Insane for Boys (who is somewhat
> crazy for real) and Excom who is not so 'new'. So I'm staying here in
> The Fort to be a part of the fun. But lurkers should not expect me to
> be their one-stop-fix-all-your-problems resource unless they are
> willing to stand up for what they believe in. Old friends will still
> get an answer, of course, but sometimes I wonder if I have friends
> here or not.
>
> Stay Safe Grant and Thanks Again for EVERYTHING you've done for all of
> us,
>
> Doc
> NP-f31
>
Hi Doc
You will always have friends' here Doc, you know that surly!.
Mephi would have summed up the exchanges with Jack, with the pragmatic
English phrase, "Yer flogging a dead horse with that one".
I had my reservations with some of the plans, put forward!
Having followed the events that unfolded with Y-B in his girl group very
closely! and hold agreement with the advice that it was ill advised.
Though pgp does have its uses.
And pass wording also has a useful purpose, though protecting a poster
from prosecution is not one of them!
Take care
Cosmos
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