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From: 4s00th <4s00th@hushmail.com>
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Subject: Re: to Brad -- if you're out there ...
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 10:02:01 -0500
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On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 17:38:56 -0800 (PST), Kate_G <kate3457@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Dec 25, 12:38 am, 4s00th <4s0...@hushmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:33:07 -0800 (PST), Kate_G <kate3...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Dec 24, 12:13 pm, 4s00th <4s0...@hushmail.com> wrote:
>> >> I just tried to send you email, but it bounced.
>>
>> >> I miss you endlessly, but I hope you are safe and happy and having
>> >> fun. I hope you are also spending some time with John for the
>> >> holidays!
>>
>> >> Merry Christmas, kiddo; I love you so much! And remember, my heart is
>> >> always with you.
>>
>> >How pathetic!
>> >Luckily he either wised up enough to get away from you or his parents
>> >took his computer. Either way it's a great thing.
>>
>> >> Steve
>>
>> >Steve huh?
>>
>> >From The Wikisposure Project,
>>
>> >alt.support.boy-lovers, aka a.s.b-l, is a newsgroup e-mail list which
>> >was created by A. B. Jongen in mid 1995. The group was begun after
>> >Jongen polled members of pedophile web sites which cater to those who
>> >are attracted to male children, with the belief that a support system
>> >was needed for the group.
>>
>> >A successful venture for many years, the newsgroup provided a place
>> >for pedophiles to share stories about their experiences, ask and offer
>> >advice to their peers, obtain information through links and reading
>> >materials, and provided a place for discussion of issues as they
>> >relate to the group. Subscribers include members from around the
>> >world, however the site has, in recent years, become little more than
>> >a battle ground for a group of anti-pedophiles and the pedophile
>> >subscribers to the group who engage each other in a huge flame war.
>> >While some exchange of information and advice does still take place,
>> >it would appear that the group has lost it's focus on any goals
>> >originally in place.
>>
>> >Pedophile Activists:
>> >Secret Squirrel
>> >4s00th
>> >Laurence Taylor
>> >Brent Norman
>> >David Looser
>>
>> >http://www.wikisposure.com/Alt.support.boy-lovers
>>
>> >Brad, if you're out there, RUN as fast as you can!!
>>
>> You really ought to take the time to find out the situation before you
>> post and show your ignorance. It was idiots like you who told my
>> wayward one to kill himself, while I and others like me took the time
>> to explain things to him so that he could understand what he was
>> feeling, so that he could learn to deal with it without harming
>> himself or others.
>>
>> Further, it's a genuine shame that the so-called "Wikisposure Project"
>> didn't bother to note that both myself and Laurence Taylor have always
>> encouraged pedophiles to deal with their feelings without becoming
>> sexually involved with children. We offer support to help people live
>> with these feelings without becoming sexually involved with children.
>> I will not speak for the others, since they must have been active
>> during periods when I was not.
>>
>> And since my wayward one is now at least 19 and possibly 20,
>
>You say "NOW"
>How old was he when you initiated contact and took advantage of his
>youth and innocence?
Why don't you look it up -- most of my interactions with my wayward
one occurred HERE in a PUBLIC FORUM. I never met him in person. I
scolded him on several occasions for giving information that might
lead people -- including me -- to him. I told him many times that
despite what he might think of me based on what I post here or in our
email contact, that he couldn't possibly know if this was the real me
or if I was just someone playing a part to trick him.
But, FTR, I do believe he was a senior in high school when I first
responded to one of his posts here at asb-l.
> and given
>> the fact that he had not until recently even met his father,
>
>I could easily ascertain that you are a piss poor substitute for a
>father figure.
Do you think so? I have, in fact, been told by many boys that I was a
good "daddy" or that they wished I was their daddy. And do you have a
clue as to why? Because I put their needs before my own petty desires.
Some of them knew that I was sexually attracted to them, but they also
knew that they were in no danger from me, and that only made us
closer.
>I
>> sincerely doubt that his "parents" have taken his computer away. As if
>> they had any idea what he could do on a computer long before he ever
>> turned 18!
>
>You baby violaters always assume the parents are ignorant in parenting
>skills. Your first mistake.
I always encouraged my wayward one to give his mother a break. It was
not I who said that she was always away with some boyfriend or other,
leaving him at home to fix whatever he could in the microwave and take
care of himself. In fact, I believe she actually just left him money
to purchase what he wanted from the grocery store. Now, I actually do
give her credit that she supported him well and made sure that he had
money for clothes and food and a computer and other material things.
And I also gave her the benefit of the doubt about having to work hard
to support a child as a single parent. But it was he who told me that
he rarely even saw her.
Two years ago, she left him a note saying that she would be spending
Christmas elsewhere -- along with a credit card for him to take care
of himself and buy himself some presents. He actually used it to buy
presents for some friends and spent the holidays with a family who had
"adopted" him. That may have been the happiest I've ever seen him.
> As if either took the time to try to find out! But, with
>> help from many of us, he now has much better relationships with both
>> parents
>
>From "many of us"
>Are you saying you ganged the boy?
You have such a dirty little mind. And I have to wonder what little
thoughts go around in that dirty little mind that you could come up
with such things to accuse others of doing.
As I have said, I never met him in person. As far as I know, no one
else here ever met him in person. But there were several people who
grew to care about him and took the time to read his posts here and
give him feedback here. And we watched him as he figured it out and
grew up in a matter of weeks into the type of loving, compassionate
man of whom anyone would be proud.
> -- he even went across the country to spend some time and get
>> to know his father.
>>
>> So if you want to stop child abuse -- then fine, I think you might be
>> helpful here to those of us who have been working to fight it for many
>> years now. But you really ought to take the time to find out what's
>> going on and who is who before you show your ignorance again.
>
>Sir, you are a very sick individual.
You came here accusing me of molesting children without bothering to
read anything I've ever written here -- and you have the nerve to call
me "sick?" The term is "prejudice," and it refers to people who have
preconceived notions and who do not bother to learn whether those
notions are accurate or not.
>The wikisposure project has this
>group documented and your name is quite prominent in their archives.
>They see you as a pedophile activist. Now i guess your only recourse
>is to accuse them of orchestrating a coverup or perpetuating a lie?
>Are you "misunderstood" as most pedophiles claim?
I guess you could say that I'm misunderstood -- by people who accuse
me of all kinds of things when they don't even know me.
As far as me being a "pedophile activist," I guess there is some truth
in that statement seeing as I am a pedophile and I have worked in this
newsgroup for many, many years to help others and to fight the
media-driven bigotry and ignorance of people like yourself. But the
group implies that I am doing a bad thing -- something that I not only
do not do, but something that I would NEVER do.
Under a few different nyms, I have posted here since 1997. Lawrence
Taylor was here before me, and, as far as I know, he's the only person
who's still around from that time. What I liked about Lawrence was
that he believes many of the same things I do, and together we have
tried to get our message out and to help others like us learn the
truth: adults have no business becoming sexually involved with
children.
As a retired mental health worker and social worker, I have seen first
hand the kind of damage that can be done when adults become sexually
involved with children. It can be horribly devastating. It can destroy
a person's ability to trust and to develop healthy relationships for
the rest of their lives.
Of course, we cannot predict which particular child is going to be
more affected, and studies clearly show that some actually remember
such relationships fondly as adults. So that means that it isn't
always harmful -- but the fact that it can be harmful means that it
isn't worth the risk. Any adult who claims to love a child is lying to
himself or herself if they become sexually involved with that child.
Any adult who truly loves a child would not be willing to take the
risk that their own selfish needs might harm that child.
That has been my message here for over a decade. Well, I took a few
years off during the time that I was responsible for taking care of my
parents, but I have been here giving out that message for the better
part of a decade now. I have argued against pedophiles who claim that
it's okay to have sexual relationships with children reminding them
that there is no excuse for putting someone you care about at that
kind of risk for harm. Just as I have argued against bigots like you
who assume that the word "pedophile" means "child-molester." It does
not. It refers to someone who is sexually attracted to children
regardless of whether they act on such feelings or not. I choose not
to act on such feelings as I have no wish to harm anyone. And I have
encouraged others to make this same choice for over ten years. I
prefer celibacy to the possibility of harming others, and I have now
been celibate for about 13 years -- since my last relationship with an
adult broke up. And I can honestly say that I have not had any kind of
sex with a minor since I, myself, became an adult, spending most of
those years celibate as well.
Furthermore, in the time that I have been here, I have done more than
just argue my position. I have gathered information on people who have
admitted to molesting children and provided that information to the
NCMEC. I have made reports to that same organization whenever I
thought that children were in danger. I do not know if anything became
of those reports, but those people do not post here any longer.
So, while you might think you're doing something to stop child abuse
by coming here and accusing people of molesting children and yelling
at them, I've actually been working to help people so that they do not
become child-molesters or to stop it if they already have. I've
actually taken action to stop people who are threats to children. So,
go ahead and yell all you want, little bigot. But keep in mind that
some of the people you're yelling at have already done more to stop
the sexual abuse of children than you'll ever do.
> Most Active Subscribers:
>
>Pedophile Activists:
>Secret Squirrel
>4s00th
>Laurence Taylor
>Brent Norman
>David Looser
These lists infer that all of these people support sexual
relationships between adults and children, but that is not the truth.
Some of them do, some of them support pedophiles learning to live with
their feelings without touching a child.
>Anti-Pedophile Activists:
>bob&carole/bobandcarole
>James Riske
>Ralph
This list makes these people seem like something noble, but all
they've ever done is come here and yell at people, making preposterous
accusations about people whom they do not know, have never met and
cannot possibly know if they've ever done the things they claim.
They've come here as bigots and haters; people who assume that
pedophiles cannot stop themselves from molesting children. And the
most they've done is yell a few insults. Tah-rah-fucking-boom-ba!
>http://www.wikisposure.com/Alt.support.boy-lovers
I, on the other hand, have clearly stated that people always have
choices, that they can and must be responsible for their own behavior.
There can be no excuse for doing something that you know might harm a
child, and anyone who says there is just lying to themselves.
You bigots come in here and automatically hate people because they are
sexually attracted to kids. Well, let me make this clear: no one asked
for these feelings, no one chose to have these feelings -- we all
discovered them. If you want to judge me, don't judge me for something
I had no choice over like the way I feel -- judge me by the things I
do choose -- the way I choose to behave and live my life.
Everyone has feelings that they know they should not act on. Wanting
to smack someone who irritates you, wanting to ram someone who cuts
you off on the highway, wanting to have sex with someone who turns you
on -- these things are all natural feelings over which we have no
control. What is important is how you choose to deal with these
feelings, whether you give in to them and allow them to control you or
whether you choose to do what you know is the right thing to do. It
doesn't matter what you want to do, what matters is what you choose to
do.
-- 4s00th@hushmail.com
If you send email, I will reply to it here at asbl
(without showing your email addy)
unless you ask me not to.
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