On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:10:02 -0700, Grant wrote
(in article <Grant-me-that-1310081@Grant.Grant>):
> In article <6dh6f41523vqn9a6njtnovbkkd2ofmlqvd@4ax.com>, NP-f31
> <dudewiththe(REMOVE)hair@hushmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:28:26 +0100, Mephistopheles
>> <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>
>>> About two years back, before he foreclosed on his Grand Mission here,
>>> I drew y not's attention to what to me was his irritatingly persistent
>>> confusion over two simple words: namely, LOOSE, & LOSE.
>>>
>>> "Loose" = not firmly or tightly fixed. ( a loose screw, a loose tooth)
>>> "Lose" = to mislay, be deprived of ( to lose a tooth is worse than a
>>> loose one)
>>>
>>> A loose cannon can be annoyingly unpredictable, but to lose a cannon
>>> far worse, especially if it finishes up in the hands of the Taliban.
>>> If you were reporting back on the War situation from the Front it's
>>> important to get these distinctions right.
>>>
>>> He graciously thanked me for pointing it out, but sadly I never saw
>>> any firm purpose of amendment. He continued in the error of his ways.
>>> And so time passed, & the children who were children grew up & bought
>>> motor cars & the leaves dropped from their parent branches & the snows
>>> fell in their flocculent exuberance. All seemed well with the world.
>>> And Mephi busy as always with good deeds everywhere forgot all about
>>> it....till today.
>>>
>>> In the thread "Who is this man?" you wrote(my Capitals):-
>>>
>>> " to offend you and the rest of the wolfpack and
>>> LOOSE you as a useless friend is more like it."
>>>
>>> (from your penultimate post, 3rd interpolation)
>>>
>>> So, on a whimsy, I re-read (oh, I am a glutton for punishment) the 2nd
>>> post in the same thread by your closet companion, who curiously
>>> slipped up on that fugitive word:-
>>>
>>> "Trolls never win arguments in the Fort..... They LOOSE just in acting
>>> like trolls, whatever the merits of their arguments."
>>> (from his penultimate paragraph)
>>>
>>> Now, mutatis mutandis, & to quote Oscar Wilde, "To lose one parent may
>>> be regarded as a misfortune, but to lose both looks like
>>> carelessness".....but 3 In such close proximity, & in the same
>>> thread.... Am I being too subtle here?
>>>
>>> Such confusion may, of course, be a widespread & legitimate
>>> Americanism. Or, as the Roman Pataculus observed:- "Emulation is the
>>> spur of wit, & sometimes envy, sometimes admiration, quickens our
>>> endeavours". In other words, friends idiosyncracies brush off against
>>> each other.........or......Shades of Gemstone?
>>>
>>> No, Mephi, no!
>>>
>>> Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
>>> The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
>>> Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
>>> The frumious Bandersnatch
>>>
>>> Well, as you can see, I am sorely discombobulated by it all, & apply
>>> to you for help in the hope that you can bring my research to a more
>>> satisfying & meaningful conclusion.
>>>
>>> Mephi
>>
>> Hey Mephi!
>>
>> 'Flocculent exuberance'? Now there's a thought.
>>
>> I too noticed the loose trend and pondered it. But you will remember
>> in the past, when other exposures have been made, he told us that he
>> would often write things for others to post (as opposed to posting as
>> others). He is a giving person, he gave old computers to friends and
>> that's how they posted as him by accident. He gave his Thoth settings
>> to others, and that is also how they posted as him by accident.
>>
>> I get it. I get it.
>>
>> But NONE of that matters. The persona(s) exists, the person(s) behind
>> it(them) are here and not leaving (even if they say they are or have).
>> Not going. Permanent. Here now and always. So, I choose to work with
>> them. Because I want to accomplish something here. Fighting them only
>> stirs up bad feelings, upsets others, and takes time away for what is
>> important - helping boys. Working with them is a challenge because
>> they always want to correct you or rub your nose in it. I don't care
>> about all that. Some of these entities are committed and smart and
>> useful, Grant, in particular, is hard working. Awake has good ideas
>> but he seems to not like being part of a team. So, I will trudge
>> through the bullshit and take what help they offer, which in Grant's
>> case is quite a lot. I like Grant, he is a firebrand and he really
>> cares about boys. If the others do I can't tell, they don't talk about
>> boys. But perhaps they care about boylovers, I think that is the case.
>> So I treat them as individuals and I will try to keep them on task, at
>> least I will stay on task and not be diverted by the stuff that
>> doesn't matter.
>>
>> Like how they spell lose.
>>
>> Love you,
>>
>> Doc
>> NP-f31
>
>
> I'll tell you two secrets.
>
> I deliberately try to write like Y Not including mistakes. I think they
> are funny. Makes him more human and less like a robot he looked like to
> some people. I try to leave them in when I copy and paste from his old
> posts. I don't correct my own mistakes either because I don't care.
> I don't worry about being accused of being Y Not by idiots because of
> it. It just gives me more reasons to post how stupid my accusers are.
> LOL
> ---> There are no bona fides in usenet one way or the other! LOL
> I like being called Y Not. Its a great complement to me. I admire him a
> lot for his knowledge of so many things and his wisdom and patience and
> his writing skill. All the things I don't have and want. to be just
> compared to him is a great honor but to be said I am him is the best
> complement in the world to me. I didn't want to tell the wolfpack this
> because then they would stop complementing me but does it matter?
> I defend other people who are accused of being Y Not because they might
> not feel like I do about him or even know about him and why they are
> being attacked with that stupid accusation.
>
> The other secret is Y Not feels very complemented too that the wolfpack
> thinks he is all the posters on the list. He thinks the list is made up
> of good people! LOL It makes him look very intelligent and a very
> skillful writer and psychologist to be able to create so many different
> personalities with their own writing styles and knowledge sets and post
> so much useful and wise things. It amuses him almost to falling off his
> chair he doesn't use much anymore that his antagonists deny he has the
> impossible ability to do all that while they are accusing him of doing
> all that. LOL
>
>
> Extras.
> Did you know common writing mistakes are contagious both ways like
> speech habits? Sometimes we pick up the mistakes and favorite
> expressions of people we admire and study. The reverse is true too. I
> have found myself making some of the language mistakes I read a lot in
> the papers I grade. I have had to read and grade over 300 papers since
> the semester started. What a chore!
> We all learn from each other all the time whether we know it or not.
> Some of it isn't just the stuff we would choose to learn! LOL
> Did awake get "loose" from me from Y Not or from Y Nots posts directly
> or from himself or from his rushed unstable keyboard? Or a gremlin? Or
> did I get it from him? Where is the real chicken or egg starter in
> this? We read each others posts in the fort so who can know for sure
> who to blame for it? LOL
>
> I think Mephis concern with "loose" in Awakes post is because Mephi
> finally found somebody he attacks who is better with English than he is
> and wants to do everything he can to take him down and this is all he
> could find he could use. I could call that "pathetic". Should I? There
> is *no* excuse for attacking people. Awake said he made mistakes in his
> post before Mephi "caught" him at it. Doesn't that mean something? I
> think it does.
> People don't add the extra "O" to "lose" in handwriting only in typing.
> I see this from my teaching experience when they transcribe their
> notes. This shows its a common typing fault probably caused by how they
> learned to type and not just a spelling mistake. It happens more with
> older people and foreign students. I could be wrong about it though.
> LOL
> I would like to think Awake is Y Not because we need him here but I
> don't think he is. One reason is Y Not is so sick right now and for the
> past week he can't even sit up for long enough to type anything but a
> short note. He told me this yesterday after a long email silence from
> him. (Please don't email him about it if you expect a reply.)
>
> ps
> I wrote about how extra careful you were about not offending Morph in a
> different post. I see it here too to Mephi. It looks to me more like
> twofaced weaseling than diplomacy but I'm not an expert in that. I
> think what you wrote here is bad for everybody of all sides and the
> fort and I think you should have ignored Mephis trolling post.
> Sometimes I don't really know what you want in the fort and I think you
> don't either. Two things I do know. Friends don't deny their friends
> identity and its not smart to deny the identity of or piss off people
> you want help from even if they are not your friends.
> How smart do you want to be?
>
> pps
> "Firebrand" is ready to light those ass inserted explosives anytime.
> Ask Mephi about his chandelier. LOL
>
>
The return of the "Wolfpack"...another signature item.
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