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From: Morpheus <Morpheus@dreamland.com>
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Subject: Re: Ping Y-Not
Date: 12 Oct 2008 01:09:08 -0500
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:29:01 -0700, Grant wrote
(in article <Grant-me-that-1110081@Grant.Grant>):
> In article <48f0bcc6$0$216$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>, Jerry
> <invalid@mail.com> wrote:
>
>>> my reply to this:
>>>> forgiveness you say? what a lot of religious crap. For your own good, I
>>>> expect nobody believe this bullshit.
>>>
>>> Every religion I know about teaches forgiveness somewhere in it so it
>>> must come from something basic in human nature.
>>
>> You don't seem to know very much about human nature, do you, Grant the
>> multiple? So leave far behind those easy precepts from your boyhood and
>> think more about the real and impious human nature.
>
> Everybody knows about human nature because they are human and know what
> they do and they can see other humans behaving just like humans too.
> LOL
>
> Some people want themselves and other people to be different than they
> are so they have to disagree with some peoples idea of human nature.
> Everybody wants to be unique. Its all right for them to do this. Its
> part of human nature! LOL
>
>>> Its something we need
>>> to practice to be happy whether we follow any religion or not.
>>
>> It's something that 'you' need to practice to be happy. And lamentably
>> happy, I could say. So don't confound your particular experiences with
>> those others from the rest. Don't confound yourself with me, bytheway, I
>> don't deserve such an affront, I told you before.
>
> I think you don't use "confound" right. Makes it a little confusing.
> My therapist showed me we all need forgiveness. Its not my opinion but
> I agree because it worked.
> "lamentably" means bad and sorrow. I'm sorry you feel that way about
> people being happy.
>
> You told me things before that don't make sense and lied about me in
> your posts. If you want me to respect your opinions do you think you
> should be doing everything you can to convince me I shouldn't?
>
>>> The first and most important person we need to forgive is *ourself*.
>>> I had to work hard at it but I'm much more at peace with myself now and
>>> happy like I never thought possible.
>>
>>
>> About yourself, I don't mind very much. I'm honest, but!
>> But think a little about forgiveness itself. Doesn't forgivenes implies,
>> inexcusably, something to be forgiven? I can't help wondering the why of
>> this compliant attitude, of this sly deception to yourselves. Let's take a
>> look at some of the most infamous sentences of the 'fort':
>
> You said it wrong again. Excusing isn't the same as forgiving.
> Excusing is explaining away a problem and ignoring it. Forgiving is
> accepting the problem happened but stop feeling bad about it. There is
> more but for later if you need more help understanding.
> There isn't anything about compliance here.
> I'm not deceiving anybody. Why do you need to think I am? Don't you
> remember you lied about me and what I wrote in my posts? Isn't it you
> who are trying to deceive?
>
>> 'I just want to help my brothers', say Dock the monkey
>> 'I just want to help everyone', say the suicidal 4sooth
>> 'I just want to find solace to my solitude' say Mikey the adventist
>>
>> 'Just want', what a lamentable periphrasis in your mouths, don't you think?
>> It's not your yearning what exposes here, but your weakness. And at the
>> same time you show it, you distort proud terms: brother, solitude, help.
>> Nauseous. Help who? Help the humanity?, you all better help yourself first.
>> What reason can have the poor 4sooth to 'help' the humanity? Is it maybe
>> that he determined to be in debt to them? I believe so. Self-humiliation,
>> self-mortification I call that debt. And unnecessary absolution I call to
>> your 'help', to your 'forgiveness'. If you feel so bad with yourselves, you
>> could try to scourge yourself every night before going to bed, that would
>> be more honest. What a false help you offer, I don't want it for myself,
>> neither received or given, it would shame myself. And with this precise
>> shame, you would feed your ego. Preachers, charlatans, vampires of the
>> human shame, go back to your god. Go back to your 'fort'. Doesn't the word
>> 'fort' itself means a place to hide and refuge? That's what you deserve.
>> The new boylovers don't need people like you. Do you really think people
>> will come to a place like this? Not in times like these. Your sweet
>> mermaid's songs are not made for times like these, just take a look at the
>> forums out there.
>
> Down below you admit to contributing to what makes this place bad. Why
> do you need to make it happen? Why not try to make this a good place
> instead of the bad you complain about? If everybody did it *would* be
> good.
>
> I have one mouth. I type with one set of hands. What do you use?
> Doc isn't a monkey. He helped a lot of people. He is a teacher and has
> raised a good family and supports his community and charities. Who have
> *you* helped? What makes you better than him? What good are *you*?
> 4s00th helped people in the support group. He is much more than just
> someone who has some suicidal thoughts. He helped other suicidal people
> feel better and want to live. Everybody has problems. You want us to
> see yours don't you? Isn't that why you post?
> I don't know about Mike but I don't think the Bible needs rewriting
> just better understanding.
>
> People need to feel they are worth something. How they try to make that
> happen is different for different people. A lot of people want to be
> useful and do it by helping people in some way and there are millions
> of ways they can and not just with people directly. For example the
> inventor who wants to improve the way people to things. Doctors want to
> help people. So do sports trainers. It all comes around because the way
> it works we actually help each other.
> Some people don't want people to be helped. Strange. I don't know why.
> Why do you feel that way?
>
> Everybody "just wants". What they say about it can be different than
> what they do. For the truth we have to look. What do *you* want to do
> with your post? Do you know? It looks like to me you don't want people
> who are unhappy and suffering to be helped because you are unhappy and
> want to stay that way and are jealous of people who are not as unhappy
> as you are so you have to try to make them feel bad and worthless.
> What does Morph "just want" his post to do? All I see is he wants
> people to feel bad just like you but he tries harder and he wants
> (really needs) people to agree with him so much he has to lie and do
> other bad things to try to make it happen and he doesn't care if it
> makes the fort smell so much like shit that lots of people don't want
> to come here anymore. He says I hate BLs but read his posts and mine.
> He shows bad feelings about his fellow BLs and I don't. Isn't it true
> only a crazy person would try to make people believe the opposite of
> what they see? I think he is a sad and lonely person who really needs
> help. I'm really glad I'm a fortunate young adult BL who has a loving
> supportive family (they don't know I'm not a Republican LOL) and good
> counseling and a good job and prospects for a very good future life. I
> wish everybody here could be as fortunate as me but without paying the
> horrible price I had to pay to get it. I'm sorry they don't but that
> doesn't mean I want to do nothing and let them ruin the fort which
> saved my life when *I* was suicidal. I'm sure there are other people
> like I was who come here. I don't want them to die because they
> couldn't be loved back to wanting to live when they come here.
>
> The fort was founded by kids. *They* are the only people who have a
> right to define it not you or me. They have and you are wrong. Its for
> play.
> Your right kids don't want to post here because they would be treated
> bad by you and Morph and accused of not being kids and accused of being
> other people just like you and Morph do to me. They *see* this. *You*
> are one of the reasons they shouldn't be here and see your bad tempered
> negative personal attacks. Who wants to see people push their abusive
> insanity on other people like Morph does? Don't think hes crazy? He
> knows who Doc is and he acts like he doesn't. We all know who Doc is in
> real life and where he lives and works after it was posted in the fort.
> Why does Morph have to lie about it when we all know the truth? Isn't
> that just crazy? Why would kids want to be around that? They wouldn't.
> They don't.
> Morpheus thinks you and Mike are vulnerable because you look confused
> and hurting so instead of just being nice to you he is trying to
> manipulate you into joining his destructive insanity. That's the only
> reason he posts to or about people like you and Mike. If you disagree,
> look at all his other posts as far back as you can go and see what hes
> really doing and then you can see why. He has to try to make everybody
> who helps people look worse than he feels about himself.
>
>>
>> Addendum. As I write, however, I realize I'm going too far with your
>> little fort. I'm adopting bad habits, it's becoming personal and tiring,
>> and I don't have intention to go along with it. It's time to let you to
>> live happy -if you can-, here in you Neverland, and set to drain in the
>> winds of autumn this agitated summer creature called Jerry. I also love to
>> rise in the summer morn, like the boy of Blake, and this is the moment to
>> do it. It's a beautiful october here, so au revoir les enfants, and anodyne
>> happiness to everyone. I won't come back so you are free to celebrate, lol!
>
> Morph thinks you will stay just to read his post. LOL
>
> You are right this is like Neverland. Its supposed to be. Its for and
> by kids! Us adults are here just because they can't kick us out.
> Because we are guests we should behave like good people for them or
> leave. You made a good choice.
>
> If anybody wants to discus with me in a nice way about some of the
> thing I wrote about like forgiveness I will be happy (LOL) to help.
>
>
Will the sun rise tomorrow? We don't know for sure.
But what we do know is that Y-Not will continue to spew forth his bullshit.
Hell he probably even thinks Buddhism is a religion. Ha!
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